Lightroom 4.4 Keyword Vagaries

Build a hierarchy of keywords. Add "lowest level" ( or any level other than top level) kw to photo. Photo will show ALL keywords of hierarchy when Photo Has Keywords "pencil tip" is clicked. However, the number of photos with any kw of the hierarchy other than THE kw assigned is shown as zero. However, clicking on the right arrow on ANY level other than the level of the assigned kw will display ALL photos assigned to the higher level selected. This appears to be inconsistent behavior, i.e. the keyword counts should successively "sum" moving up the hierarchy.

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Lightroom 4.1 Keywording

I've just noticed that all of my imported images in Lightroom 4 have been tagged with the words 'Aircraft' and 'Transport'.
When I type either of these into the Lightroom search box it brings up hundreds of images none of which display either of the keywords mentioned.
When I view these images in the Windows 7 Explorer it shows (under the Tags heading) the tags for both Aircraft and Transport.
So these tags have been added by some means I'm not sure about (as I didn't do it) and Lightroom doesn't show the tags within the Keywording box but Windows Explorer does show them!
I'm really confused now.
Is there a way for me to view the tags (Aircraft and Transport) within Lightroom so I can remove them from the images that shouldn't have them attached?
And how do you think these tags are being applied when I didn't apply them to the offending images?
All the images in question were imported into Lightroom directly from my camera memory cards without keywords (tags) being applied; I only do this after the importation.
Any ideas... ?
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PS.
If I click in the search box for keywords under the Keyword List for Aircraft I get only those images that I genuinly tagged as Aircraft.
Under the Keywording section if I click on 'Will Export' or 'Keyword and Containing Keywords' the images that have been tagged (and show up in Explorer as such) show the keywords Aircraft and Transport but It doesn't allow me to remove any of the keywords.

I've just found out what I think the problem might have been.
I have a Keyword for Transport and under that various other sub-headings.
Under the Keyword for Transport was a whole list of keywords which I didn't place there.
I can only assume that when upgrading from LR3 to LR4 something happened to my keywords, a bug (or something).
I was able to remove the incorrect keywords from under 'Transport' and now everything is back to the way it shold be.

Lightroom 2.6 Keyword issues

Hello everybody,
I've got a big problem within lightroom (2.6).
In my keyword list, when i select a keyword (to see the photos with that keyword) all my photos in the catalog pops up.
For example there is a keyword with 4 photos in it. When i click it all my photos in the catalog pop up.
Then the catalog automaticly selects a random photo. The catalog was originally made in lightroom 1.1
To show what i'm talking about here a screenshot:
As you can see i selected the word Beechcraft, with 1 photo in it. As a result it shows my entire catalog.
I'm using Windows 7 (64-Bit). All together i think it's pretty odd since lightroom 1.1 did not have this problem. (unfortunatly 1.1 jams after being used for a while (even with compatible mode on XP SP2 and with run as admin enabled)
Anybody has this problem as well? And does anyone knows how to solve this problem?
Thanks in Advance,
Stefan

Thank you for your fast reply!
I'm aware of clicking on the arrow to show the pictures with that keyword.
With some it only shows the photos with that keyword, with other keywords (like on the screenshot) it shows the entire catalog.
Anybody who can help me?

LIghtroom and Bridge Keywords don't match

I use PhotoMechanic (with the stationary pad setup) to ingest NEF images, then convert them DNG with DNG Converter. I add keywords using PhotoMechanic, Bridge and Expression media and Edit using PS to create web versions.
I'm trying to use LR 1.3 and starting to import them all.
When I look at the keywords in LR 1.3 the DNG are all the same, however the JPG in LR 1.3 are different from the other three (PhotoMechanic, Bridge, Expression Media). I've read metadata from the files in LR 1.3 and there is no change to the jpg.
It looks like LR 1.3 does not extract metadata from JPG the same way as Bridge does.
Any ideas why?

There are a lot of profiles for Raw-images but much less for JPG images.
Lr will display only those lens profiles that apply for the file format in question. So when you have a JPG image the profiles for Raw images will not be displayed in Lr, and vice versa.
If you don't have the correct lens profile in you list you have to download it.
For this you need the Adobe Lens Profile Downloader.
And for this program you need Adobe Air.
Download both programs from Adobe's website - they are free of charge.
Then install Adobe Air first, and when that is installed, install the Lens Profile Downloader.
Once it is installed just open it, it is self-explanatory and will display all available lens profiles once you have selected your camera and lens makes.

Keywords in Adobe Bridge CC and Lightroom 5 not working

I recently upgraded to Adobe CC. We use Bridge and Lightroom regularly to tether while shooting, batch process and search for images. I have noticed that files I have keyworded in Bridge will randomly lose the keywords attributed with them. When we shoot tethered to lightroom we will keyword as we shoot but those keywords do not show up in Bridge. This is a huge issue for us. We have thousands of images and plan on using bridge as a tool for our designers and marketing team to search seamlessly for photos based on keywords. If they are randomly disappearing or not carrying through from Lightroom to Bridge it becomes completely unmanageable and completely out of our hands. And a completely useless tool. Any suggestions?

Keyword list in Adobe system, bridge and lightroom, need standardizing. That's what I feel.

Keywords in Lightroom

Lightroom 4 appears to have the same problem as the previous version in regards to exporting keywords. I had a support case in Lightroom 3, in regards to the same problem. This was never fixed, as support didn't appear to understand the problem.
Assuming you have already thousands of photos in your library. Keywords were originally assigned in Bridge CS4 and 5. Now some of these are imported into Lightroom 4 and map data assigned - nothing else done to them. Now the metadata is saved to the files and it all appears to go well. However, going back into Bridge, the "Group" keywords have been added to the pictures. I'll explain:
Group "People" has "Sub group" Ted, John, Susi, Mother, Father and so on
Group "Places" has "Sub group" London, Wellington, Glasgow and so on
Group "Trips" has "Sub group" London 2010 Glasgow 2011 and so on
The main group is never selected, only the relevant subgroup. On import into Lightroom 4, the keywords are imported without any apparent change. However, when the metadata is saved back to the files, the "Group" keywords are also written to the files.
Instead of a picture having the keywords John, London, London 2010, they now have People, John, Places, London, Trips, London 2010.
If I export the photos instead of updating the metadata, the problem is the same. It doesn't matter what type of photo. The interesting thing is, if I just update a single photo, the keywords are left untouched

Hi John,
of course it would be possible by about 32000 photos, but somehow I don't think so. The 2 directories imported into LR4 are fixed now, as the errors caused by LR fixed in Bridge as well. So I can't check these any more. Have made a check of all other folders and found no errors - at least none that I can see.
Have started to import another directory - and again errors. This time, checked the keywords that were imported incorrectly. Found some errors in Bridge, none that I could figure out, as the individual ones all appeared correct, but when selected with the next one, a minus sign appeared in the keyword check box. Found a few of these, for which I reapplied the keyword. The keywords in error were PSD files, originally created in CS3 and later edited in CS5
Again deleted the directory in LR4 and all keywords and re-imported the now fixed photos. Then went through the other ones, but couldn't find any errors in Bridge. So I removed the particular keyword and then reapplied the same. Again deleted the photos and keyword from LR and re-imported them. Again, this time they were all imported correctly.
With the next directory I will try to just scan for metadata changes, I thought of this after finishing the last one.
So, it would appear that Bridge is the cause of all this. So far, Bridge CS3, CS4 and CS5 were used, therefore I can't say that one particular version is the culprit

Lightroom 4 Keywording Multiple Photos

I'm in library mode and trying to add the same series of keywords to a group of about 60 photos. All these photos are highlighted at the bottom of my screen but one photo appears to be highlighted more brightly. I've typed in a group of keywords in my sidebar and then clicked enter. I thought that action should tag all 60 photos with the same keywords but it doesn't. Only the brightly highlighted photo gets the keywords. Surely there has to be a way to tag multiple photos with the same keywords all at once. I've watched Cris Orwig's video on Adobe and am following the same steps he demonstrates but the keywords are only tagged to the one photo. Am I missing something simple here?
Thank you
Mark

I just reviewed http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-5/adding-keywords/ in which Chris Orwig clearly shows adding keywords to multiple images in the filmstrip, NOT in the grid view. Of course, MY Lightroom doesn't allow me to add keywords to multiple images using the method shown in this video. And just an added note that this is the EXACT same video shown under the label "learn-lightroom-4/adding-keywords/ so I don't know if this could be done in v4 but not in v5 and someone just screwed up by reusing the same video..... Thanks Jim Wilde and everyone else for your help. I was starting to pull my hair out.

Delete Keywords in Bridge? Re-import into Lightroom?

When I started trying Lightroom three weeks ago, I imported a few folders to learn with and created a keyword hierarchy.
Then when I imported all my photos, the keywords assigned in Bridge came along for the ride, giving me something to do with my time straighten it back to the structure I had created.
I use Bridge for renaming. Renaming my photos with the date first is a priority right now to help straighten out a mess of scanned photos not organized by date. It's been a slow process but necessary and I find it much easier to do in Bridge.
So now I know renaming files outside of Lightroom creates a problem. What will happen if I get rid of my Lightroom catalog; delete all keywords in Bridge (not a problem since I'm right now working in folders for renaming and can easily delete all keywords in the folder); then import all the renamed files into a new catalog in Lightroom.
Will the files keep the keywords written to them before in Lightroom even though I deleted keywords in Bridge? Or will I be deleting all keywords and have to start assigning them all over?
Hope this makes sense, I'm afraid to do anything right now!
Peggy

Peggy,
I think that if you are creating a new Ligtroom catalog, and importing your photos, that they will reflect what you have done in Bridge.
But, to confirm that, I would suggest that you do a small test first:
Start Lightroom, create a new catalog, import say 5 photos and see what Lighroom shows as keywords. Select a photo in Lightroom, change its keywords, save the changes and see if Bridge shows the change. Do the same then in Bridge, and Lightroom should show an icon at the top right of the frame in Grid view. Right-Click on it and "read metadata from file". The keywords should show the Bridge changes.
I think you will see that Keywords operate fairly well between both programs. (If I had the time now I would have experimented for you, but I thought that suggesting something would be faster and work better).
I think that when you have finished all your keywording in Bridge, you can safely create Lighroom catalog and import all you photos, and the new Bridge keywords will be there. (None of the old Lightroom catalog keywords should show up).
p.s I am not atall sure of the syntax in Bridge for entering Parent-Child keywords, but Lightroom's syntax is Child>Parent. I had to think about the Lightroom syntax, because I always think the > is the "greater than" symbol in maths etc, but now I look at as a branching from Parent to Child. Amazing how the little things become " gotchas".

Lightroom Keeps Losing My Keywords

I use Lightroom 1.2 and CS3. This is my workflow:
1) I import my images from a CF cards to a directory on hard drive.
2) Open Bridge to sort and white balance my images.
3) Open Lightroom to assign keywords to all the images. The keywords are the one feature that I REALLY like about Lightroom.
4) Sometime later (another day) I go back into Bridge/CS3 and do some editting with ACR.
5) When I go to Lightroom, it detects that metadata has changed. The images have that rectangular icon.
6) When I click on the icon I get this dialog:
"The metadata for this photo has been changed by both Lightroom and
another application. How should Lightroom synchronize this data?"
with the following three options:
Import Settings from Disk
Cancel
Overwrite Settings
So if I choose to import the settings from disk (to pick up the Bridge/CS2 edits), Lightroom removes the keywords that I have previously assigned.
Now that is REALLY DUMB. So are we talking metadata or keywords. They are kept separate in the panels and should be kept separate during this process.
I don't know if this is related to the XMP Performance Issue or not. If I uncheck auto-write XMP Lightroom flies and gives this message.
If I check the auto-write option (isn't this supposed to fix this?), my machine grinds almost to a halt. It is so slow that I don't know whether this dialog even appears. I don't even see the icon.
Just to make matters worse, I don't know how many images have no keywords assigned. Now that would be a really great feature for the keyword search.
My computer is a dual processor PowerMac G5 with 3.5Gb RAM with 127Gb free space on the catalog's disk and 11,000 images.
Any comments or solutions?
Match

The problem in your workflow is that second step of editing the previously edited images that were keyworded back in Camera Raw...why would you do that? Lightroom has all the controls that Camera Raw has (except a point curve editor). At some point you'll really need to decide where you're going to do you main editing and stick with it. Either that or you're gonna go nutz trying to keep the metadata correctly updated and yes, ALL the metadata gets updated when you see that warning and go ahead and update...it's doing exactly what you told it to do...in spite of the fact that's not what you really want as there is no way to separate settings from keywords or other metadata.

Keywords in Lightroom/Bridge

I have all my photos marked with a lot of keywords i Bridge, but I would like to use Lightroom to add keywords to all my new Photos, but if I do that, Bridge can't read them
Any one who knows what to do ???

Hi John
Thanks for the very good and usefull answer, it works like a charm
The solution is simple, I can see that now, but haven't thought of saving the darn thing.
All the best ... Peter

Importing Keywords from Lightroom/Elements?

Recently upgraded from Elements to Lightroom/CS5. Keywords from elements useable in Lightroom but lightroom/Elements Keywords not showing up in Bridge. Is there a way to import them. If not, this really handcuffs the switch to Bridge. Any and all help appreciated.

Lightroom and Elements use a database to store metadata. Bridge and many other progams store the info on the image.
In Elements you want to click file/write keywords tag and properties info to photo. Then you can read it in Bridge.

BUG? Keywords (and other changes) made in bridge don't show up in lightroom

When I put keywords to images in Bridge _after_ editing them in lightroom, they never show up in lightroom.
And seems like color labels doesn't change if I try to do it in Bridge. Bridge shows new color label, lightroom shows old one.
and no, image is not open in lightroom when giving keywords in bridge.

I do not have that problem, but I am sympathetic to how much you dislike the LR keywording system. You would think Adobe would adopt a single system for all their related apps?
The best way i found to deal with it is to have both apps write to the xmp suidecars(for RAW)and to make sure there is a copy of ACR 3.7 8bi in the file format folders of all Adobe apps that I interchange files to and from. Presumably, by the time Bridge 2 and PS CS3 are out of Beta, all three apps will be on the same page using ACR 4.
My setup does work without a hitch--but I do not like the LR keywording at all. Like many attributes of LR, it is simplistic and largely designed for the new or casual user (and those that shoot or process the same category of images day in and day out (weddings, etc), rather than for someone with an existing, large DB and established workflow--and hundreds of diverse subject images a day to do!
I do all my keywording, renaming, and initial sorting and culling in Bridge CS3, and it goes at least two to three times faster than using LR for those workflow functions, and that is not due to inexperience with LR, but rather to far better workflow design for those functions in Bridge- tabbed, rather than a slider, driven interface for "developing" in bridge is also part of that better design.
I am using LR for its Develop module only--all the other modules fall far short of what I need and presently use--especially the Library--and doing that simply because Bridge 2 has a terrible memory leak and numerous beta bugs and interfaces more poorly with beta PSCS3 than LR (and that is not to say that LR does a sterling job at at all) for the moment
Maybe Adobe can get the Bridge and LR teams together over lunch and politely (but firmly)tell them to get the best of the common features from each into both.

Keywords conflict between Lightroom & Bridge

I am new to Lightroom but have used Bridge for a long time.
My Bridge keywords have evolved over time and various hierarchies and parent keywords have been changed many times to reflect my needs.
I find that when I import older images into Lightroom, older parent keywords, long deleted from Bridge, reappear in the Lightroom workspace.
When I update metadata in Lightroom and write the data back to the original files, the old hierarchies and parent keywords reappear in Bridge and in the file's keyword list.
I cannot find a way around this problem.

Erik Bloodaxe wrote:
It occurs with any file type in particular I am using dng and jpg regularly.
By experimentation Lightroom seems to show the long deleted parent keyword which once contained a particular keyword. The parent keywords were EXCLUDED in Bridge when they were added to an image but they show in Lightroom.
Open one of the DNG or JPEG files in PS and check File> File Info> Description tab> Keywords using PS's XMP reader. If the excluded keywords are showing here they will also show inside LR.
As DdeGannes mentioned to see Bridge metadata changes inside LR you'll need to select the files inside LR and apply menu item Metadata> 'Read Metadata from File.' Conversely, if you select Metadata> 'Save Metadata to File' (CTRL + S) LR will "overwrite" the Bridge metadata with the keywords visible in LR. It's important to keep the Bridge and LR metadata "synchronized:"
1) Update LR with any changes made inside Bridge using Metadata> Read Metadata from File from the LR menu for ALL changed files. You should do this BEFORE making ANY keyword changes to a file inside LR.
2) After making keyword change inside LR apply Metadata> 'Save Metadata to File' immediately so that the changes are written to the file(s), making them visible inside Bridge.
I'm guessing that somewhere in time keywords were edited in LR and Bridge without following the above "synchronization" steps. If PS's XMP reader shows keywords "excluded" in Bridge then that's probably what happened. If the excluded keywords are NOT showing in XMP (but still visible inside LR) then further investigation is required.

Keywords from Lightroom 2 to Explorer

It appears that when I keyword in Lightroom 2, those keywords are not picked up by Explorer. When I keyworded in Bridge, they were.
Is there some setting I need to change in order to have Explorer pick up the keywords? Sometimes I want to seach in Explorer and I'd like to have the keywords there too...
Any suggestions?
Thanks much,
MF

I have been using Windows Live Photo Gallery in XP to apply keywords and they appear in Lightroom 2 and Bridge. And, Kenneth, embedded keywords written in XMP in Lightroom (with Edit>Catalog Settings...>Metadata>Automatically write changes into XMP)show up in Windows Live Photo Gallery. I find this all very useful.Use Ctrl+S if you want to leave Lightroom open and view the XMP data at the same time in another program. Otherwise it will not be visible until you close LR. I also find it a bit cumbersome to separately import the jpg copy of the RAW file so that I can attach the keywords that will then be visible in other organisers such as Windows Live Photo Gallery etc..
Is there a way of having them import from the camera into Lightroom at the same time as the RAW file? I will keep looking, but maybe it is something to consider for Lightroom 3?

How do I search for a keyword?

How do I do the equivalent in Lightroom of the keyword search that's in Bridge? LR Find appears to be finding IMAGES that contain a keyword when I specify "Keywords" in the text find, rather than finding the keyword...
What I'd like is to be able to see all the keywords that contain what I enter, NOT the images that contain that keyword - again just like it works in Bridge...

If you're talking about searching based on the content of the documents uploaded, you will definitely need to integrate with a search engine to do periodic indexing of your content. The two most common search engines used with WLP are Autonomy (a light version is included with WLP) and Apache Lucene (free, highly customizable solution).
You should find good docs and articles on dev2dev to get started with either one.

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