Lightroom 4 Keywords

I've been experimenting with LR4, but can't figure out how to reset all keywords and restart from scratch.
I've deleted every catalog I can find (they were all under a Lightroom folder under Pictures).
I start Lightroom and create a new catalog. I exit, delete the default catalog and restart.
I import a folder with about 6 images, each with a few non-hierarchical keywords.
Lightroom gets inventive and puts them into hierarchies that it remembered from earlier in the day when I had imported keywords from Bridge and then tried to fix the mess Lightroom made of them. Where is it getting these old hierarchies from??
How do I stop this nonsense and start clean?

The answer seems to be that Lightroom doesn't play nice with other programs that keyword tag files, even the JPG files which I started with.
In addition to tags that other programs can see, Lightroom seems to put its own hidden tagging information in JPGs (and who knows what it does with other files). Went one removes the tags with another program, Lightroom still finds its own hidden information.
Can someone point me to a detailed explanation from Adobe of what really happens with different file types?
Only solution seemed to be to use Lightroom to remove ALL tags from the files I previously tagged in Bridge and start over (in Bridge).
One thing I really don't like about tagging with Lightroom:
Assume you have a hierarchical tag like: Birds > Ducks > Mallard
If you apply just the Mallard and the Ducks tags with Bridge, that's all that put in the file and all other programs see.
If you apply just the Mallard and Ducks tags with Lightroom, it seems to know that you've just added those tags, not the Birds tags. But if you look at the file with another program (Bridge, Windows Explorer, etc.) all three tags have been applied.
What's even worse, if after tagging in LR I go back to Bridge and remove the "Birds" tag, and then come back to Lightroom and try to change the tags again or remove them all I get a "metadata write error" from LR4 which I have no idea how to resolve.
The only reason I bought Lightroom was for cataloging, and I'm experimenting with LR4 to try out the new ACR features. I've had so much trouble with the tags that I haven't even had a chance to look at the new ACR features.

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'The trouble with hierarchical keywords is they always end up with child keywords somehow re-appearing at the top level. It can happen when they re-import a picture that's been processed in another app. Or when a group of child keywords becomes duplicated in more than one part of the hierarchy. Usually because they have changed the hierarchy at some point and imported an older file. Or they changed the hierarchy on a laptop and then brought files over to the main PC. Something always upsets the logical structure they have put into place. So rather than continue with this problem, they have gone back to a flat list in Lightroom.'
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Over my several years of using Lightroom, I do find that I accidentally put keywords in the wrong place. The problem is fixed, via choice #3 above, in under 20 seconds. Also, over my time using Lightroom, my photography subject matter has changed, or my organizing needs have changed, and I have re-arranged parts of my hierarchy to suit my new needs, and/or added new top level keywords or middle level keywords or bottom level keywords. It is relatively painless and simple. The biggest problem (and yes, it is a problem) is when you have to drag a keyword from the top of the hierarchy to the bottom (beyond the bottom of the screen), scrolling isn't as smooth as it should be, but it still works. This is hardly a reason to avoid hierarchical keywords.
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