Lightroom 4 to PSE

How do you edit Lightroom 4 photos in PSE 11?

In Lightroom, right-click on a photo, select Edit In... and then select Photoshop Elements
If Photoshop Elements is not listed, you have to configure Lightroom under Edit->Preferences->External Editing

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Please help me clarify the benefits of Lightroom and PSE

Hello,
I've had PSE for many years and I am a light user of it. I've got about 13000 family photos I want to catalog, mark favorites, and touch up favorites - mostly adjust lighting and color, crop, red eye. I will occasionally edit out an object, like a garden hose running through the grass. I'm trying to decide if Lightroom would make my task easier and results better than using PSE alone. I played with Lightroom for a couple hours and this is what seems true based on my limited knowledge:
1- It seems easier to get better results adjusting lighting and colors in Lightroom. I'm a novice and I thought I could make my photos look significantly better. I'm still fairly awkward using layers in PSE, so maybe it's just my lack of experience.
2- It is easier to manage edits in Lightroom since they are non destructive. Snapshots make it easy to view edits at different stages. Making a virtual copy and applying a different set of edits seems like a snap. In PSE, if you want to retain your layers you need to save in the native format and those files can get huge. If you don;t retain your layers you are just left with your end result.
3- It seems like people generally think Lightroom's catalog functionality if better than PSE Organizer, but I don't have enough experience to tell.
4- I don't do too many creative projects where PSE may excel, like merging photos, cutting people out of 1 and into another, etc.
Based on my needs, do you think I'd be better off getting Lightroom, or using PSE and maybe improving my skill level with it?
I hope it's not bad manners to cross post this in the PSE forum.
Thanks!

Hello,
I've had PSE for many years and I am a light user of it. I've got about 13000 family photos I want to catalog, mark favorites, and touch up favorites - mostly adjust lighting and color, crop, red eye. I will occasionally edit out an object, like a garden hose running through the grass. I'm trying to decide if Lightroom would make my task easier and results better than using PSE alone. I played with Lightroom for a couple hours and this is what seems true based on my limited knowledge:
1- It seems easier to get better results adjusting lighting and colors in Lightroom. I'm a novice and I thought I could make my photos look significantly better. I'm still fairly awkward using layers in PSE, so maybe it's just my lack of experience.
2- It is easier to manage edits in Lightroom since they are non destructive. Snapshots make it easy to view edits at different stages. Making a virtual copy and applying a different set of edits seems like a snap. In PSE, if you want to retain your layers you need to save in the native format and those files can get huge. If you don;t retain your layers you are just left with your end result.
3- It seems like people generally think Lightroom's catalog functionality if better than PSE Organizer, but I don't have enough experience to tell.
4- I don't do too many creative projects where PSE may excel, like merging photos, cutting people out of 1 and into another, etc.
Based on my needs, do you think I'd be better off getting Lightroom, or using PSE and maybe improving my skill level with it?
I hope it's not bad manners to cross post this in the PSE forum.
Thanks!

Difference between Lightroom and PSE?

I am a long time user of PSE, and I have just been told by a friend about Lightroom. Can someone please help me to understand the difference(s) between these two products?

Let me just add that if you are a PSE user and you feel that PSE meets your needs, then keep using PSE.
If you feel that PSE doesn't quite work for you, that it is a bit constraining, then here are some areas where Lightroom is superior (according to most people), in no particular order
Lightroom is a workflow enhancement tool; handling many photos from a large photo shoot is simplified in LR compared to PSE
Lightroom's "organizer" is a more powerful tool than the PSE Organizer (and in my opinion, LR is less buggy than PSE in this area)
Lightroom has a mapping module, a module to create web pages, a module to create slidehows
Lightroom has built-in capabilities, and also 3rd party plug-ins, which allow better integration with photo sharing sites on the internet
Non-destructive editing
The advantages of PSE include
Face tagging
Much more powerful editing tools

Lightroom and PSE 9

I use Lightroom and I just downloaded a trial version of Elements 9. Is the Organizer redundant and is there any reason to use it with Lightroom?

I use PSE as a cost-effective alternative to the full-blown photoshop when doing editing that Lightroom can't offer. I have just started looking at the organiser and it clearly offers a Lightroom-style catalogue so there's a great deal of overlap. I personally find no need for the Organiser as LR is much more powerful. Nevertheless I have started to play with the 'people recogniser'.
My biggest frustration with the Adobe products is the lack of consistency with keyword file formats. The file formats for Adobe "Photoshop Album" (an early version of Organiser), "Organiser" and "Lightroom" are all different. Album was simple but uses 'spaces', LR is simple but uses 'tabs' and Organiser uses XML. None of the products can read or writer the other's files and so sharing keywords between products requires you to write your own code to convert the formats from one to another! three products, one company, three file formats. Crazy.
In fact you cannot export Organiser keywords and then re-import them with duplicating all the keywords (I'm suer there's a good reason bt it is extremely inflexible).
The lack of sensible external keyword support and incompatibility of keyword file formats means that, as a LR owner, Organiser has become a complete waste of space.
I've posted a question about sharing keywords between LR and PSE's organiser elsewhere in these forums but don;t expect much luck.

Raw file edited in Lightroom don't show edited in PSE

I have edited pictures taken in raw format in Lightroom, and imported them later in pse 7. When I import them, they are not edited, but the original file.
How do I make PSE read the edited information instead?
Thanks in advance
Kanolsen

Thanks for a very quick reply, and congratulations with passing 1000 postings!
I tested it again, and I upgraded to LR 2.4 today, and it didn't create an .xmp file. I found this article which makes LR create an .xmp file. Now PSE can see the changes I've made in LR.
I tried to install Adobe Camera Raw 5.4, but got an error message "Photoshop Camera Raw (64bit), Can not install. Click cancel". I have camera raw 4.5 and I don't have a 64bit system. I can't find any 5.4 for 32bit system?
I didn't see any edits I had previously done in Lightroom in PSE's organizer, nor did the raw file have any modified timestamp.
I really like PSE organizer for tagging pictures so I find them easily, and I have gotten used to Lightroom for editing my files after I got more interested in taking pictures, LR is a lot easier to quickly modifying a lot of pictures compared to PSE where you have to open editor for each and every picture (making sure I can't be bothered fixing up the pics). So my workflow is to import to LR and modifying the pictures to my liking, and then importing them in PSE organizer for looking at them later. I don't use LR for looking at pictures later on. Is that an OK way of doing it, or is there an easier way?
Perhaps I should import as .DNG file to reduce the dependency on the .xmp file?
Thanks again for a quick reply, I have been slower to reply as I had to check and recheck what was happening.
Kanolsen

NIKON D5000 NEF - Lightroom 2.6 and PSE show colors quite differently from what Nikon Software show

With my Nikon D5000 DSLR camera, I took recently photos from small blue flowers. I had set-up my Nikon D5000 to create for every photo both a NEF File and a JPEG File (and had set my camera to use Automatic While Balance).
I noticed that for NEF Files Lightroom 2.6 (and also PSE 7, that uses internally Camera RAW ) shows me the blue colors of the flowers quite differently from what I see with PSE for the jpeg file. It is my impression, that it is in the Jpeg files, that the blue color is close to the reality; and that it is with the NEF Files that Lightroom and PSE show a blue color that is quite different from the reality.
I also looked at the photo files with the NIKON "View Nx" 1.3.0 Software that came with my camera. With "View Nx" the blue colors (both with the NEF file and the Jpeg File) are very vlose that what i see with PSE 7 in the jpeg file (and quite different from what I see with LR and PSE for the .NEF File).
I mentioned this problem to Nikon Support. They suggested, that Nikon Software and Adobe software use different algorithms; and that the Nikon algorithms are better/closer adapted to the Nikon cameras than the more generalized Adobe algorithms that need to support a very large number of cameras.
But ....it is Lightroom that i wish to use to process my NEF Files and PSE that I wish to use to organize my Photos. Can a LR/Camera-RAW expert help me? I would like to find a solution to see with LR and with PSE in my D5000 NEF Photo Files blue colors that are close to the reality and close to what Nikon Software shows me on my PC. Please notice that I am very far away from being a professional and that i will probably not understand complicated explanations.
Thanks a lot in advance.
An additional note, that is perhaps not relevant: I used LR to convert my NEF File into a JPEG File format and looked at the blue in the result. It looks the same as what LR and PSE show me for the .NEF File (and looks different from the jpeg file crreated by the NIKON camera).

EJ and Jim
Thank You very much for your useful feedback.
I realize, that as a neophit I am an exot among the community of photo-experts and photo-professionals addressed by LR. Therefore the wish that I will now express is perhaps inadequate. But since it is gently, that i express this wish, I am probably allowed to do so......
My wish for a future version of LR, is that LR comes out of the box with a "reasonable" interpretation of the RAW images of most important/widespread modern cameras....without requiring that non-experts like me gets confronted from the very beginning with the need to develop their own default settings.
For this wish, I will formulate a Feature Request.
You might wonder, why a non-expert like me is interested in LR instead of using those Photo-Editing Software (e.g. PSE) that are supposed to address the need of non-experts. Well..... I am coming from the PSE world. I am reasolnably happy with the PSE Organizer....but I hate the complex, inefficient, unfriendli "user-interface" (experts will probably tell: workflow-interface?) of the PSE Editor. Its really a last-century Software. LR is so much more friendly, even for non-experts...within the Library Module, i do not need to switch back and forth between one dialogue-window for each type of change.... nearly all what i need is in that one right-hand pane of the Library module.
I honestly believe, that Adobe should take a serious look at promoting/marketing LR also to the audience of non-experts. That would be a good and attractive additional marketing opportunity for LR.

PSE 8 and Lightroom

What is the best way to pull in a photo from Lightroom to PSE 8?
I have been using Lightroom, but am new to PSE.
Thanks,
Leora

Hi Leora...
In Lr, select Edit...Preferences...External Editing. Under External Editor, browse for the PSE8 Editor under (Windows) C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Elements 8.0. Select PhotoshopElementsEditor.exe. Then set File Format, Color Space, etc. to what you require. Then, right-click an image you wish to edit in PSE8, in either the Library or Develop, select Edit in..., and select PhotoshopElementsEditor.
Best
Dave

Lightroom 2 und PSE 6 (Mac)

Hallo,
ich habe das Problem, das Lightroom 2 PSE 6 nicht automatisch als externen Editor erkennt. Ich kann PSE6 zwar als zweiten externen Editor konfigurieren, aber es sollte ja automatisch gehen.
Habe zu dem Problem noch nichts finden können.
Ich benutze OSX 10.5.6. Ich habe es auch schon mal auf einem frischen OSX getestet, aber auch da funktionierte es nicht.
Gruss Jens

Hallo,
1.) Es soll halt funktionieren, nur tut es halt nicht. Für das Geld was man ausgegeben hat sollte es aber doch funktionieren.
2.) es gibt halt nur ein manuell konfiguriertes externes Programm. Da hätte ich aber gerne GIMP.
3.) Gibt es bei "Edit mit Photoshop (Elements)" mehr Optionen (HDR, Panorama... )

Can not open Lightroom 5 image in Photoshop Elements 12

I just purchased PSE 12. In Lightroom 5, I can set up an Edit in Photoshop Elements preset.
When I try to edit a .dng or .cr2 raw image in PSE from Lr5, the first dialog I get asks if I want to edit a copy with Lr adjustments. Then PSE opens but no file(s) are loaded.
If I open the file directly from PSE 12, it will open (with Lr5 adjustments)... but that's not the point.
Any ideas on getting the Lightroom 5 --> PSE 12 workflow to operate properly?

I don't want to seem flippant, but that's exactly what I did - Actually I set up 2 presets here (one for Adobe RGB & one for sRGB).
As I stated previously, I set these up on 2 different computers (a MacPro and a MacBook Pro), each computer running a different version of OS-X (Lion & Mavericks, respectively).
I have successfully set up several external editors using various stand-alone programs - they all still work -- with the exception of Photoshop Elements 12.

Photoshop Elements, Lightroom and Nik Software Lightroom Edition experience working together?

I have Photoshop Elements 10 and number of plugins, like Topaz Labs ones. I have also just acquired Lightroom. I do want to get CS5 eventually but that is not in the near future.
I am thinking of getting Nik Software's Complete Collection. It does not support Elements 10, but it does support Lightroom. So solution seems easy, just use it in Lightroom. That solution could also result in $200 saving as edition that includes support for Photoshop and Lightroom is right now $399 while one that supports just Lightroom (and Aperture but that is not of relevance to me as I am a Windows user) is $199.
However, I do not want to lose benefits of other plugins I have so going with solely Lightroom edition means increased going back and forth between Photoshop and Lightroom.
So question for those experienced with 3 of these together: Do you foresee issues with getting edition that just supports Lightroom? What things I might feel are missing / might frustrate me with this approach?

I’ve not used Nik Software but have used Lightroom and PSE together and the two programs integrate well. If Elements was already installed Lightroom should automatically recognize it as your external editor otherwise you need to set up external handling in Lightroom preferences.
I assume any changes made in Lightroom with a Nik plug in will register as part of the Lightroom Develop settings. Is that how it should work?
My usual routine is to highlight an image in the Lightroom Library and then
1) Press Ctrl+E to edit in photoshop - choose PSD with Lightroom settings
2) Image opens automatically in PSE Editor
3) Do further editing in PSE and press Ctrl+S to save an overwrite the Lightroom export copy. Click OK
4) Press Ctrl+W to close the saved PSD file which automatically updates the Lightroom thumbnail.
It all works quite seamlessly. Use the PSD copy in light room to export a jpeg or any other format of your choosing.

Photoshop Elements 12 to Lightroom 5

I wanted to import my tags from Photoshop Elements 12 to Lightroom 5. I read the manual and watched the video tutorial. Both mention that you need to hit "upgrade Elements Catalog" in Lightroom 5. However, I don't seem to have that option under "File". What happened?

I do have PSE12 installed but have not actually tried it, but I just did. When I click upgrade, it only lists the PSE 11 catalog in the subsequent dialog. Maybe this is something to do with Elements transitioning to 64 bit.
The non-support for PSE12 is the same thing that happens every version of Lightroom and PSE ... support for converting PSE catalogs into Lightroom lags behind the the latest version of PSE. It has nothing to do with 64 bit.
I think drach is best to write the photo info to files in PSE Organizer and then import the images.
Or maybe wait until Lightroom 5.3 is released, perhaps the support for converting PSE12 catalogs into Lightroom will be in there.
File >> Save Metadata to Files
This method does work for transferring metadata to Lightroom, but some items in the PSE catalog will NOT be transferred in this way: Albums, Version sets, Stacks and a few other things that I can't remember right now.

Catalog sharing between Lightroom and Photoshop Elements

Can the catalog be shared between Lightroom 2 and Photoshop Elements 10?

Lightroom and PSE cannot share catalogs (although the same image can be in both)
PSE catalogs can be upgraded to Lightroom catalogs, but then changes made in Lightroom are not reflected in PSE. You cannot go the other way, Lightroom catalogs cannot be converted to PSE catalogs.
Lastly, I strongly recommend that you use only a single "organizing" application. The idea of using two (or more) different "organizing" applications will lead to confusion and errors and lack of synchronization.

Elements and Lightroom installed in Mac Mini. Do I need to buy separate products for my MacBook?

I have purchased Photoshop Elements and Lightroom and installed them in my table Mac. Now I'm going on travelling and would need them with me also in my laptop (MacBook Pro). Is there any chance to update my current purchases so that I could use the programs also in my laptop, or do I have to buy separate products for this? Could not find an easy way to do this. Thanks!

I don't know about Lightroom, but PSE allows you to have activated installations on two computers, so you're good there. Just install it on the laptop.

Elements and Lightroom

Do Lightroom 2.0 and Elements 8.0 integrate seamlessly?

They integrate in the sense that if your photo is in the Lightroom Library module, you can send it to the PSE Editor using a Lightroom command, make your edits, and then have the resulting photo appear (in a stack with the original photo) in the Lightroom Library Module. The user does not have to specifically launch PSE. Whether or not that counts as "seamlessly" is left up to the eye of the beholder.
There are no other ways that Lightroom and PSE are integrated.

Lightroom Photoshop Elements problem.

After selecting a photo in Lightroom to be edited in PSE, PSE is opened but the PSD file is not created and not loaded into PSE. How can I fix that? It used to work but I had to reload Lightroom and PSE as my machine had to be refreshed and the capability no longer works.

I have LR 5 and PSE 12 and the interaction works fine for me. When I select the Edit in PSE option in LR, a TIFF file is created in LR, which is then being opened in PSE. Once done with editing in PSE, I choose Save, which brings me the overwrite file dialog and the TIFF file save settings dialog (compression, etc.) afterwards. Once saved, the TIFF is visible in LR with the changes.
Here's a question - when you open the TIFF file you just saved from PSE in PSE again, do you see the changes ? If not, the problem is in PSE not saving the changes correctly.
If you do, the problem is with the file not being shown properly in LR. Check the file structure in an external tool (Windows explorer or Finder). Do you see the TIFF file ? Is there only one or perhaps some others with the beginning of the file name ? What is the file save date on the TIFF(s) ? That might give a clue as to what can be wrong with the process.

Another "Dark Prints" with Lightroom discussion

Ok, i've read every post on the internet on this topic. I've tried EVERY combination and solution out there. I have an Epson rx580 photo printer with iBook G4. Prints great in PSE4 and other apps (iphoto, etc). When printing in Lightroom...everything is really dark. Not just a tad. I've used epson profiles, managed by printer, managed by lightroom, changd color profiles, no color management,epson vivid...you name it. The only thing that comes close is choosing colorsync. My monitor is calibrated thru color vision Spyder system. I've reformatted HD, reinstalled lightroom, epson drivers, software. eliminated all non epson drivers. Hooked directly in USB slot on laptop...cleaned heads, alighned heads....changed cartridges. What gives???? I should not have find printing anymore difficult in lightroom than PSE 4. Oh yea..I only loaded lightroom when reformatted HD (no PSE4). Did I miss anything else? Please don't reply with any obvious answers that are already all over the net. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Abery-
I've previously posted a thread similar to yours. I use an Epson R2400 with a MacPro using OS 10.4.10. Every print came out darker than what appeared on the screen. I too tried "every" solution mentioned, which I won't repeat here. Alas, while roaming the forums I came upon a solution that appears to solve the "dark print" issue, although I'm not completely sure why. Here it is. With a photo selected from Library, select an appropriate template in Print. In the Print Job select the appropriate paper Profile in Color Management. Use Page Setup to select your printer and the appropriate paper info. Next select Print Settings to select your printer AGAIN and make sure the Preset is STANDARD. Select Print Settings, then appropriate Media Type. In the same box I've selected the Mode-Advanced, Print Quality-Best Photo, checked High Speed and Finest Detail. Under Color Management (especially important) select No Color Adjustment. All of the above has been mentioned in many previous threads. What comes next is the critical part I found recently one dark night when I was too tired to remember where, although I wrote down the procedure to try later. With all the above set up the suggestion was to then HOLD the OPTION key and select Print. This apparently bypasses the subsequent printer dialog and sends the info from LR directly to the printer. Therefore there is no double management as has been mentioned in other threads. The process results in the print being as nearly identical to the monitor as I have ever been able to produce.
David

Lightroom 4 to PSE

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