Lightroom 5 keyword problem

I am relatively new to Lightroom and have been importing groups of images into Lightroom. All my images already have keywords so when I import them those words populate the keyword list. I started organizing the list by moving keywords under parents. For example I have ATTRIBUTES under that heading I have words like beauty, delicate, fragile, gossamer, etc. For some reason ATTRIBUTES and all that I have listed under it has been drawn under another word, in this case feathery. What I want is for ATTRIBUTES to again be the parent and feathery to be part of the list under attributes. How do I do this?
I tried dragging feathery and placing it in ATTRIBUTES but it won't allow that to happen because feathery is now the parent.
I have looked around internet resources and this forum and have not found any obvious answer. Bear in mind I am not entering keywords, nor have I created any keyword sets. I am simply organizing the existing words that populated the keyword list from my various imports that scroll out under the Keyword list panel. I want to organize them so when I do enter new images that need to be keyworded I can just logically open the various parents and easily select the proper keywords.
I am sure I am missing something fundamental here and I am a bit afraid to go trying a bunch of things for fear of making the problem worse.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Forgot to mention that I do know I can drag ATTRIBUTES and put it under other keywords. I am trying to get it to stand on its own with its complement of keywords scrolling out beneath it.

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