Lightroom 5 no noise reduction on file export

Here are the steps I'm using:
               color and luminance noise reduction
Export with these settings:
               jpeg ( same result with tiff}
               quality 100%
               resize to fit long edge 1000 px
    Lighroom screen--------------------------------------------------------Jpeg export
Any ideas?

JimHess wrote:
I think it's unfair to refer to people who can provide reasonable answers as fanboys.
Sadly Jim, we still haven't got the kind of "ignore whiney, flamebaiting troll" button that would allow us to shut the likes of him up. No, he doesn't come here for solutions, he comes here to flame. I'm baffled why he hasn't been banned.
Torsten,
Here's my favourite workaround. You could have done it too, and it's a simple, one-step solution:
Don't pay for software without thoroughly testing it yourself first.
If you've paid for Lr 5 before destruction-testing it and keeping a close eye on the forum (where this issue has been know about for ages), you've only yourself to blame.
Adobe will fix it when they're ready and able to: but it doesn't affect me in any "I paid for this, I expect it to work" way, because I won't be buying Lr 5 until it is fixed.
A really, really, really simple, inexpensive, trouble-free way to deal with all that stress...

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https://rcpt.yousendit.com/1005742637/a865add0e167c8fdfac02211e4345a60
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