Lightroom adjustment brush inconsistent with Camera Raw

I love Lightroom's adjustment brushes, but I find it annoying that I can't use them to take saturation all the way to monochrome, even with the saturation slider turned down all the way. Today, I noticed that in Camera Raw 5.4, the same thing is NOT true - you can remove color completely with an adjustment brush.
Surprised at this difference, I wondered what would happen when I loaded the ACR-adjusted file back into Lightroom. Lo and behold, Lightroom showed the result of the adjustment brush the same way as ACR, with all color removed. Excellent!
But what would happen if I changed that adjustment brush in Lightroom? Would it "forget" what I had done in ACR and revert to its normal behavior? No, it continued to behave just as it had in ACR. But in the same photo, a brush created in Lightroom did not behave the same way. So clearly, it was something to do with which program created the brush.
Then I took a look at my XMP file, and it became (somewhat) clear what's going on. This is one of the XMP attributes for the brush created in ACR:
<crs:MaskValue>1.000000</crs:MaskValue>
And here's the same attribute for the brush created in Lightroom:
<crs:MaskValue>0.375000</crs:MaskValue>
The obvious next question is, what happens if you change MaskValue from 0.375000 to 1.000000? Answer: The brush starts behaving like an ACR brush.
Now, this is kind of cool. I can get the behavior I want in Lightroom, by editing the XMP file by hand. On the other hand, editing XMP files isn't really my favorite thing. Is there some setting in Lightroom that can be used to achieve a MaskValue of 1.000000 for adjustment brushes? I couldn't find one, but hey, there are a lot of settings...

Ian, thank you! It was indeed Density that did the trick. I mistakenly thought Density had nothing to do with it, because you have to set it before you create a new brush stroke. (Each individual stroke of a particular adjustment brush can have a different Density value, along with the other Brush attributes like Size.) So I was changing it for my existing brush strokes, foolishly expecting it to work like the Effect sliders, and seeing no effect.
Jao, my flow was set to 100 all along, so I don't think that was my problem. It really seems to have been Density.

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