Lightroom and CS5 and Aperture Workflow?

I am trying to put the finishing touches on a year and a half long port to mac from windows. My expectation is that I will be purchasing CS5 (Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign) and I was hoping there would be a user or two on the forum that may be able to just advise me as to whether I am moving in the correct direction. Also, I was hoping to get a heads up on how Lightroom might fit into the following proposed workflow. Here is what I am anticipating:
1. Export necessary images from Aperture into folder named "Aperture" with sub-folders by project name.
2. "Photoshop" folder (with project sub-folders) for any edited images, transparency overlays, etc.
3. "Illustrator" folder (with project sub-folders) for any vector editing of images and/or individual vector files
4. "InDesign" folder (with project sub-folders) for ID posterboards, publications etc that reference files in Photoshop and/or Illustrator folders.
5. "Keynote" folder (with project sub-folders) for presentation that reference files in Photoshop and/or Illustrator folders.
6. "Uploads" folder for any images uploaded to ftp that cannot be done from within the Aperture interface.
Does anyone know if this looks about right, how Lightroom might fit into this workflow and/or whether there is a way to streamline this in any way?
In the past I've tended to be very reliant on dragging and dropping and copying images images across my hard drive for access and organization in various projects (web media, proposals, publication, papers, etc, etc) but as I start working in Aperture I can obviously see the benefits of keeping a lot of this data within Aperture. That said, some of this workflow is a bit hard to anticipate and I'd also like to know what I need to buy to get it optimized.
TIA for any suggestions or help.

Lightroom and Aperture serve identical purposes. There is no reason to use both.
Since they serve identical purposes, at least at the macro-planning stages, you can substitute one for the other in any workflow.
There is nothing in your proposed workflow that I would recommend.

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