Lightroom and PSE 9

I use Lightroom and I just downloaded a trial version of Elements 9. Is the Organizer redundant and is there any reason to use it with Lightroom?

I use PSE as a cost-effective alternative to the full-blown photoshop when doing editing that Lightroom can't offer. I have just started looking at the organiser and it clearly offers a Lightroom-style catalogue so there's a great deal of overlap. I personally find no need for the Organiser as LR is much more powerful. Nevertheless I have started to play with the 'people recogniser'.
My biggest frustration with the Adobe products is the lack of consistency with keyword file formats. The file formats for Adobe "Photoshop Album" (an early version of Organiser), "Organiser" and "Lightroom" are all different. Album was simple but uses 'spaces', LR is simple but uses 'tabs' and Organiser uses XML. None of the products can read or writer the other's files and so sharing keywords between products requires you to write your own code to convert the formats from one to another! three products, one company, three file formats. Crazy.
In fact you cannot export Organiser keywords and then re-import them with duplicating all the keywords (I'm suer there's a good reason bt it is extremely inflexible).
The lack of sensible external keyword support and incompatibility of keyword file formats means that, as a LR owner, Organiser has become a complete waste of space.
I've posted a question about sharing keywords between LR and PSE's organiser elsewhere in these forums but don;t expect much luck.

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Please help me clarify the benefits of Lightroom and PSE

Hello,
I've had PSE for many years and I am a light user of it. I've got about 13000 family photos I want to catalog, mark favorites, and touch up favorites - mostly adjust lighting and color, crop, red eye. I will occasionally edit out an object, like a garden hose running through the grass. I'm trying to decide if Lightroom would make my task easier and results better than using PSE alone. I played with Lightroom for a couple hours and this is what seems true based on my limited knowledge:
1- It seems easier to get better results adjusting lighting and colors in Lightroom. I'm a novice and I thought I could make my photos look significantly better. I'm still fairly awkward using layers in PSE, so maybe it's just my lack of experience.
2- It is easier to manage edits in Lightroom since they are non destructive. Snapshots make it easy to view edits at different stages. Making a virtual copy and applying a different set of edits seems like a snap. In PSE, if you want to retain your layers you need to save in the native format and those files can get huge. If you don;t retain your layers you are just left with your end result.
3- It seems like people generally think Lightroom's catalog functionality if better than PSE Organizer, but I don't have enough experience to tell.
4- I don't do too many creative projects where PSE may excel, like merging photos, cutting people out of 1 and into another, etc.
Based on my needs, do you think I'd be better off getting Lightroom, or using PSE and maybe improving my skill level with it?
I hope it's not bad manners to cross post this in the PSE forum.
Thanks!

Hello,
I've had PSE for many years and I am a light user of it. I've got about 13000 family photos I want to catalog, mark favorites, and touch up favorites - mostly adjust lighting and color, crop, red eye. I will occasionally edit out an object, like a garden hose running through the grass. I'm trying to decide if Lightroom would make my task easier and results better than using PSE alone. I played with Lightroom for a couple hours and this is what seems true based on my limited knowledge:
1- It seems easier to get better results adjusting lighting and colors in Lightroom. I'm a novice and I thought I could make my photos look significantly better. I'm still fairly awkward using layers in PSE, so maybe it's just my lack of experience.
2- It is easier to manage edits in Lightroom since they are non destructive. Snapshots make it easy to view edits at different stages. Making a virtual copy and applying a different set of edits seems like a snap. In PSE, if you want to retain your layers you need to save in the native format and those files can get huge. If you don;t retain your layers you are just left with your end result.
3- It seems like people generally think Lightroom's catalog functionality if better than PSE Organizer, but I don't have enough experience to tell.
4- I don't do too many creative projects where PSE may excel, like merging photos, cutting people out of 1 and into another, etc.
Based on my needs, do you think I'd be better off getting Lightroom, or using PSE and maybe improving my skill level with it?
I hope it's not bad manners to cross post this in the PSE forum.
Thanks!

Difference between Lightroom and PSE?

I am a long time user of PSE, and I have just been told by a friend about Lightroom. Can someone please help me to understand the difference(s) between these two products?

Let me just add that if you are a PSE user and you feel that PSE meets your needs, then keep using PSE.
If you feel that PSE doesn't quite work for you, that it is a bit constraining, then here are some areas where Lightroom is superior (according to most people), in no particular order
Lightroom is a workflow enhancement tool; handling many photos from a large photo shoot is simplified in LR compared to PSE
Lightroom's "organizer" is a more powerful tool than the PSE Organizer (and in my opinion, LR is less buggy than PSE in this area)
Lightroom has a mapping module, a module to create web pages, a module to create slidehows
Lightroom has built-in capabilities, and also 3rd party plug-ins, which allow better integration with photo sharing sites on the internet
Non-destructive editing
The advantages of PSE include
Face tagging
Much more powerful editing tools

NIKON D5000 NEF - Lightroom 2.6 and PSE show colors quite differently from what Nikon Software show

With my Nikon D5000 DSLR camera, I took recently photos from small blue flowers. I had set-up my Nikon D5000 to create for every photo both a NEF File and a JPEG File (and had set my camera to use Automatic While Balance).
I noticed that for NEF Files Lightroom 2.6 (and also PSE 7, that uses internally Camera RAW ) shows me the blue colors of the flowers quite differently from what I see with PSE for the jpeg file. It is my impression, that it is in the Jpeg files, that the blue color is close to the reality; and that it is with the NEF Files that Lightroom and PSE show a blue color that is quite different from the reality.
I also looked at the photo files with the NIKON "View Nx" 1.3.0 Software that came with my camera. With "View Nx" the blue colors (both with the NEF file and the Jpeg File) are very vlose that what i see with PSE 7 in the jpeg file (and quite different from what I see with LR and PSE for the .NEF File).
I mentioned this problem to Nikon Support. They suggested, that Nikon Software and Adobe software use different algorithms; and that the Nikon algorithms are better/closer adapted to the Nikon cameras than the more generalized Adobe algorithms that need to support a very large number of cameras.
But ....it is Lightroom that i wish to use to process my NEF Files and PSE that I wish to use to organize my Photos. Can a LR/Camera-RAW expert help me? I would like to find a solution to see with LR and with PSE in my D5000 NEF Photo Files blue colors that are close to the reality and close to what Nikon Software shows me on my PC. Please notice that I am very far away from being a professional and that i will probably not understand complicated explanations.
Thanks a lot in advance.
An additional note, that is perhaps not relevant: I used LR to convert my NEF File into a JPEG File format and looked at the blue in the result. It looks the same as what LR and PSE show me for the .NEF File (and looks different from the jpeg file crreated by the NIKON camera).

EJ and Jim
Thank You very much for your useful feedback.
I realize, that as a neophit I am an exot among the community of photo-experts and photo-professionals addressed by LR. Therefore the wish that I will now express is perhaps inadequate. But since it is gently, that i express this wish, I am probably allowed to do so......
My wish for a future version of LR, is that LR comes out of the box with a "reasonable" interpretation of the RAW images of most important/widespread modern cameras....without requiring that non-experts like me gets confronted from the very beginning with the need to develop their own default settings.
For this wish, I will formulate a Feature Request.
You might wonder, why a non-expert like me is interested in LR instead of using those Photo-Editing Software (e.g. PSE) that are supposed to address the need of non-experts. Well..... I am coming from the PSE world. I am reasolnably happy with the PSE Organizer....but I hate the complex, inefficient, unfriendli "user-interface" (experts will probably tell: workflow-interface?) of the PSE Editor. Its really a last-century Software. LR is so much more friendly, even for non-experts...within the Library Module, i do not need to switch back and forth between one dialogue-window for each type of change.... nearly all what i need is in that one right-hand pane of the Library module.
I honestly believe, that Adobe should take a serious look at promoting/marketing LR also to the audience of non-experts. That would be a good and attractive additional marketing opportunity for LR.

Photoshop Elements, Lightroom and Nik Software Lightroom Edition experience working together?

I have Photoshop Elements 10 and number of plugins, like Topaz Labs ones. I have also just acquired Lightroom. I do want to get CS5 eventually but that is not in the near future.
I am thinking of getting Nik Software's Complete Collection. It does not support Elements 10, but it does support Lightroom. So solution seems easy, just use it in Lightroom. That solution could also result in $200 saving as edition that includes support for Photoshop and Lightroom is right now $399 while one that supports just Lightroom (and Aperture but that is not of relevance to me as I am a Windows user) is $199.
However, I do not want to lose benefits of other plugins I have so going with solely Lightroom edition means increased going back and forth between Photoshop and Lightroom.
So question for those experienced with 3 of these together: Do you foresee issues with getting edition that just supports Lightroom? What things I might feel are missing / might frustrate me with this approach?

I’ve not used Nik Software but have used Lightroom and PSE together and the two programs integrate well. If Elements was already installed Lightroom should automatically recognize it as your external editor otherwise you need to set up external handling in Lightroom preferences.
I assume any changes made in Lightroom with a Nik plug in will register as part of the Lightroom Develop settings. Is that how it should work?
My usual routine is to highlight an image in the Lightroom Library and then
1) Press Ctrl+E to edit in photoshop - choose PSD with Lightroom settings
2) Image opens automatically in PSE Editor
3) Do further editing in PSE and press Ctrl+S to save an overwrite the Lightroom export copy. Click OK
4) Press Ctrl+W to close the saved PSD file which automatically updates the Lightroom thumbnail.
It all works quite seamlessly. Use the PSD copy in light room to export a jpeg or any other format of your choosing.

Catalog sharing between Lightroom and Photoshop Elements

Can the catalog be shared between Lightroom 2 and Photoshop Elements 10?

Lightroom and PSE cannot share catalogs (although the same image can be in both)
PSE catalogs can be upgraded to Lightroom catalogs, but then changes made in Lightroom are not reflected in PSE. You cannot go the other way, Lightroom catalogs cannot be converted to PSE catalogs.
Lastly, I strongly recommend that you use only a single "organizing" application. The idea of using two (or more) different "organizing" applications will lead to confusion and errors and lack of synchronization.

Using Lightroom and PS Elements

I have been a Lightroom user since the beginning and have PSCS3 for when I need to do some more involved editing. (Not very often - probably 95% of my editing/adjustments are done in Lightroom exclusively, including my RAW conversions.)
I have a friend who swears by PS Elements - which I have not used since I believe version 2. I played a bit on his computer and felt that probably everything that I use PSCS3 for I could also do in Elements. But I really don't need the Organizer - have already done all the importing/keywording in LR. So do if I decide to try out the trial version of PSE8:
(1) Do I have to install the Organizer?
(2) If I do have to install it, is there a way to bypass it - either from Windows or from Lightroom - and go straight to the Editor?
(3) What will I be missing from PSCS if I start with Elements - aside from 16 bit editing, which I VERY rarely do?
(4) Can Elements open any existing PSCS files I have?
Thanks,
Steve

Hi Steve,
Welcome to the world of PSE. I am glad that you are thinking of moving to PSE.
Here are the responses to your query:
1. Organizer and Editor are installed together on the machine, there is no way you can just install PSE Editor.
2. Simple way to bypass Organizer, is to go to ProgramFiles\Adobe Photoshop Elements 6.0\ folder and create a desktop shortcut of PhotoshopElementsEditor.exe on the desktop and invoke it directly in place of PSE Welcome Screen.
3. In a nutshell, PSE is a subset of Ps CS3, so there will be some differences/limitations in PSE for sure. Say for e.g., there will be fewer adjustment layers, Pen tool and Patch tool aren't supported in PSE 6.0, Actions cannot be played(supported from E7 onwards), there will be no separate animation panel, etc.I would suggest you install PSE 8(current version) in trial and since you are less on edting side, so i think you will get what all limited editing functionality you strive for.
4. Elements can open Ps CS3 files successfully with ease.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ankush

LR 3.6 and PSE 6.0 To New Computer

I just purchased a Windows 8 computer to replace my old Windows XP computer, on which i have Lightroom 3.6 and Photoshop Elements 6.0. My photos are on an external drive and will remain there after I install LR and PSE on my new computer. My question is which of LR or PSE I should install first on my new computer. (Does it matter?) I plan to continue to use LR as the primary program for catalog, developing, exporting, etc., with PSE used for selective adjustments to some photos only.

I don't know that it really matters. However, I would install Photoshop Elements first. Then, when you install Lightroom, it will be easy to choose it as your external editor.

Sharing keywords between LR and PSE 9 Organiser? :-(

OK, I've owned 3 photo products from Adobe (Photoshop Album, Lightroom and Photoshop Essentials) and have 3 keyword file formats! I use LR as my main photo organiser and have started using PSE and its Organiser but am frustrated by the lack of coherent design of keyword files. I have hundreds of keywords in LR. I had to write some Python code to convert my "Album" keywords to the LR format and it seems I have to do the same to get keywords from LR into PSE's organiser. But there's now a new problem...
Unfortunately when I import keywords into PSE's Organiser any duplication of existing keywords results in duplication in the keyword list - i.e. when I add "From file.." PSE adds to the list rather than merging! PSE is clearly not designed to re-load keywords from file any extend the keywords. If I export all my keywords and re-import them I don't expect the number of keywords to double! Oh - I can;t delete keywords before importing because I'm told everything it's 'learned' (people etc. will be lost). Keywords appear to be exportable but not importable.
I clearly cannot import keywords into PSE's organiser as I can with LR.
Is anyone sharing keywords between LR and PSE's Organiser?

Thanks, I can see how that can work and the problems. It looks like the keywords themselves cannot be easily shared and I agree that having two organising programs is problematic but I wanted to 'export' the keywords I have created including their structure from Lightroom and import them into PSE organiser. You'd think you could do this with two similar products from the same company. The organisers in question are used for two purposes and the photos in each are different - i.e. I use lightroom for my pro stuff and PSE for family/casual stuff and no photo would be present in both. It looks like PSE really isn't designed to import keywords. I have Python code to create a PSE keyword file from a lightroom file so that will have to do as it's clear there's no interoperability.
Thanks for your suggestions.

File management between LR and PSE 5

I currently use photo shop elements 5.0 and testing the LR demo. Im looking for suggestions for managing photos. I have 10,000+ photos in PSE. When I shoot raw they go into LR but I still shoot some in jpeg and they go to PSE. Whats the best way to keep everything organized?

Did you try importing your Elements catalog into Lightroom, and just using Lightroom? If you want to experiment to see how well it works, you can create a new blank LR catalog and use that.
LR's tools work well on . jpegs too, I don't want to lose that, so I don't even use Elements organizer function any more. I prefer the intuitiveness of the tagging & doing AND searches in Elements... LR's not quite up to snuff with Elements in that regard, IMO. More powerful, but seriously lacking some simple useability improvements.
Even so, I basicly sucked it up and went all LR even though those tagging problems ARE a major concern. I don't want to lock myself out of those editing tools in LR. And I prefer one catalog with ALL my images over trying to remember which were .jpg or RAW. But I'll keep complaining about pointing these usability issues with LR and urging development in these matters until maybe someone on the LR team actually hears me.

How many times can you install Lightroom 5? My problem is that I have saved my programs on C. To I have more space, I want to save my programs now on E. Can I now uninstall Lightroom and reinstall from C to E? Can I use the same license code as the first

Please help!!
How many times can you install Lightroom 5? My problem is that I have saved my programs on C. To I have more space, I want to save my programs now on E. Can I now uninstall Lightroom and reinstall from C to E? Can I use the same license code as the first installation?

Thank you for your answers, it helps me a lot.
But sorry for my ignorance. I understand how you mean it, but I don't know how to do it. I'm scared to lose the settings/edits of the images.

I have just sought to update my lightroom and am now unable to access the develop function and get a note stating that I have reduced functionality what it this about and how do I get my product back

I have just sought to update my lightroom and am now unable to access the develop function and get a note stating that I have reduced functionality what it this about and how do I get my product back

Hi there
I have version 5.7 and every time I opened it I was told that updates are available and to click on the icon to access these. Instead it just took me to the
adobe page with nowhere visible to update. I then sought to download lightroom cc and this is when I could not access the 'develop' section due to reduced
functionality It was apparent that my photos had been put in cc but no way to access them unless I wanted to subscribe.
I have since remedied the problem as my original lightroom 5.7 icon is still available on the desktop and have gone back to that. I do feel that this is a bit
of a rip off and an unnecessary waste of my time though.
Thank you for your prompt reply by the way.
Carlo
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Printing: Lightroom and Photoshop

Ok...so today I tried to run my first print since getting lightroom. Quick run down on my color management (although I am still learning on this subject as well). My monitor is calibrated with an eye one display. My camera (Canon 300D) is set to AdobeRGB profile. I am running an Epson 2400, Ilford Smooth Pearl paper, with the profile provided from Ilford, and have it set to have the printer determine colors. And I am running Lightroom and Photoshop CS2.
I have been printing with this combonation beautifully for about a year now. I do have one small thing about my setup, even calibrated, my monitor is a little dark, so I must do a small curves adjustment on my final version to get the print to be perfect. I have accepted this (not the newest or best monitor) and just set an action to run before printing.
So, today, I tried to print from Lightroom. The print came out WAY too dark...I mean, my blue sky is a dark purple...odd. So I said, well I need this print, let me move it to photoshop, drop the curve and print from there. Well...the blue came out blue, but the image is still a little dark...I will play with the curve again to see if I can get it right. I don't have a problem with doing this for now, but I am wondering why the images are darker then they used to be, even in photoshop.
Also, can I create actions in Lightroom, something like develop presets that I can run AFTER I am done working on an image that we prep the document for print?
Sorry for the long post...thanks for any help...

So...you're using the canned profile from Ilford...and in Lightroom you've added that via "Other" correct? When you select that profile you are then using Lightroom color management and then you go into the Epson driver under Properties, Mode Custom and then select Off under Color Management, right? You've also selected the correct media that Ilford reccomends with the Pearl paper?
If you hit print from there than that should take care of it. Note however that if you change the page template, it _WILL_ change the print output settings making you update to the profile again.
So far, I get equal output results from Lightroom and Photoshop CS2/3 when using the same profile and printing under Mac or Win. So, if you are _NOT_ getting the same results, your settings are not equal-something somewhere is set incorrectly.

I used to have an OLD Photoshop cd but it has been lost and my program is no longer on cd. I talked with some photographer friends and this is what one of them told me to get: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and CS CC... HELP please?

I used to have an OLD Photoshop cd but it has been lost and my program is no longer on cd. I talked with some photographer friends and this is what one of them told me to get: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and CS CC... HELP please?

If you still have your serial number, look at OLDER previous versions http://www.adobe.com/downloads/other-downloads.html
Otherwise, the US$ 9.99 plan is what is current at Cloud Plans https://creative.adobe.com/plans

Problem with Lightroom and Epson Printer

I'm suddenly having problems printing from Lightroom. I have Lightroom 1.4.1 installed on an iMac G5, and have an Epson Photo Stylus R2400. I've been using this combination from the beginning with no problems. Now suddenly when I try to print I get an error message that says Media is out or not loaded correctly. Neither is the case. I have tried restarting my computer, the printer and everything else I can think of, but nothing works. I can print from any other application without problems, so I'm assuming it's an issue with Lightroom.
Has anyone experienced anything similar? I was going to uninstall lightroom and do a reinstall but I can't find my installation disc. Now I'm at a loss to figure out what to do.
Thanks,
Craig

Try deleting you prefs file and/or print templates.
Lightroom is unique to many other programs in that it saves and restores printer settings. Some bad data may tried to be passes. A "fresh start" might help.

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