Lightroom ändert DNG Dateien?

Ich importiere und bearbeite meine DNG Dateien normalerweise mit Lightroom. Manchmal würde ich aber auch gerne Capture One (Vers. 4.x) von Phase One zur Entwicklung meiner RAW-daten einsetzen - geht aber nicht für Dateien, die mit Lightroom importiert wurden. Dateien, die ich direkt von der SD-Karte in mein Bilderverzeichnis (mit Mitteln des Betriebssystems) kopiere, kann ich hingegen mit dem o.g. Programm bearbeiten. Phase One behauptet nun, Lightroom sei der 'Übeltäter'; ist es das?
Frage also: Ändert Lightroom beim Import von DNG/RAW Dateien etwas am Dateiinhalt und wenn ja, was führt dazu, dass evtl. andere Programme diese nicht (mehr) nutzen können?

Der DNG-Converter ist ein unabhängiges Programm, das mit und ohne Photoshop funktioniert. Wenn bei Photoshop CS das CamerRaw-Update runtergeladen wird, kann auch der Converter mit runtergeladen werden. Der Converter wird zukünftig regelmäßig aktualisert und ist für die interessant, deren Camera nicht mehr von CS unterstützt wird.
In PS CS2, oder genauer gesagt im Camera Raw der Creative Suite 2 kann man auch DNGs speichern, hierbei ist es auch möglich, die Bilder zu beschneiden, beliebig zu rotieren etc. Das Camera Raw ist dann direkt aus Bridge und aus Photoshop ansteuerbar. Deshalb befindet sich das Camera Raw Plugin nicht mehr im Zusatzmoduleordner von PS, sondern im Application Support/Adobe/Plugins.
Interessant ist auch noch, wenn Sie in Photoshop CS2 unter Platzieren...: Camera Raw (beliebiges unterstütztes CR) eine CR-Datei importieren, wird diese als Smart Objects gespeichert. Diese Smart Object können Sie dann jederzeit durch Doppelklicken wieder im Camera Raw öffnen und als DNG wieder speichern. Alle Informationen sind dabei erhalten. Smart Objects sind in der Ebenenpalette als Ebenen mit einem entsprechenden Symbol zu sehen. Man kann Sie auch maskieren und mit anderen SOs als neue SO zusammenfassen und Instanzen (identisch) erstellen.

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Kann PSE 13 dng-Dateien abspeichern?

kann Photoshop Elements 13 dng-Dateien abspeichern?
Photoshop Elements 11 kann es leider nicht.

haalb a écrit:
Hallo Michel,
wenn ich in Lightroom eine dng-Datei geöffnet habe und diese in einem externen Editor, in diesem Fall Photoshop Elements Version 11,
öffne, wandelt Lr die dng-Datei automatisch in tif um und diese Datei kann ich dann in PSE 11 bearbeiten.
Wenn ich dann die Änderung abspeichern will, geht das in PSE 11 nur mit tif oder mit psd, nicht mit dng.
Meine Frage ist deshalb, kann PSE Version 13 zwischen Lr und PSE durchgängig mit dng arbeiten?
Viele Grüße
Hans
Hans,
What is important in your workflow is to understand that the DNG format is primarily a standardized Raw format. With raw files from you camera, it stores the raw data and the edit commands to convert into an image file such as psd or tiff. The DNG format is also able to store already converted formats like jpeg, tiff, psd... The advantage is that you can use the same editing tools in Lightoom or ACR for raw files or image files formats.
When you have edited with a pixel editor like Elements, the result is not a raw file with its sliders settings, it's a totally new image file, a new 'version'.
So, the common workflow with Lightroom and Elements is to link the new image together with the original DNG into Lightroom.
That way, you keep your original raw and conversion/editing steps, and the resulting image of advanced pixel editing.
You could also save your resulting psd/tiff/jpeg image into the DNG format, but that would simply embed a pixel image into a DNG 'wrapper', you'd lose the original raw data and conversion steps before the pixel editing stage.
mfg
Michel

Lightroom and DNG compatibility?

Will Lightroom read DNG converted from RAW from a camera that Lightroom doesn't support?

> "Barry what do you mean by converter? I am talking about taking a CR2 image and converting it to a DNG file."
I was talking about converting raw files in general to DNG files. (Not just CR2s). I was NOT talking about "raw conversion".
Adobe provide ACR, Lightroom, and the DNG Converter. They can all convert CR2s to DNGs (among other things). (They are all DNG converters and all raw converters, sharing core code).
Hasselblad-Imacon provide FlexColor which can convert their raw file formats to DNG. Pentax provide PHOTO Browser which can convert PEFs to DNG. Better Light supply ViewFinder for their scanning digital backs.
Then there are amateurs to who supply (typically free) converters for niche and minority and unofficial raw file formats to DNG: raw2dng; DNGForPowershot; SMaL to DNG; eMotionDng; etc:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/products.htm#converters
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/products.htm#manufacturers
I suggest you following those links and see just what is out there.

Mavericks cannot read/preview lightroom 5 dng files. Sony a7R or RX100. However Canon 6D conversions are fine.

Mavericks cannot read/preview lightroom 5 dng files created from Sony raw files (a7R or RX100). However Canon 6D conversions are fine.
I have come across a couple of threads asking about this. It would seem that some raw files convert into something OSX can read, others (like Sony ARW) create dng files that OSX cannot read. Has anyone had any luck with this? I thought the idea behind dng files was that they were universal and not brand specific.
Any advice appreciated.

PS CS3 (osx 10.4) kann dng-Dateien nicht öffnen die mit DNGC 6.6 (osx 10.6) erzeugt wurden

hi,
versuche ich dng Dateien, die ich mit DNGC 6.6 (osx 10.6) erzeugt habe, mit Photoshop cs3 (osx 10.4) zu öffnen, erhalte ich nur eine Programmfehler-Meldung. Sind diese dng-Dateien nicht abwärts-kompatibel? Upd: natürlich habe ich die Kompatibilitätseinstellung im DNGC entsprechend angepasst...
Merci und Grüsse, wende

hi,
versuche ich dng Dateien, die ich mit DNGC 6.6 (osx 10.6) erzeugt habe, mit Photoshop cs3 (osx 10.4) zu öffnen, erhalte ich nur eine Programmfehler-Meldung. Sind diese dng-Dateien nicht abwärts-kompatibel? Upd: natürlich habe ich die Kompatibilitätseinstellung im DNGC entsprechend angepasst...
Merci und Grüsse, wende

DNG-Dateien

Die Bilder, die ich mache brenne ich immer doppelt(zur Sicherheit). Nun habe ich gelesen, dass es sinnvoll wäre, die Bilder einmal als RAW-Daten zu brennen und einmal als DNG-Dateien.
DNG soll ein Format sein, das die RAW-Daten vereinheitlicht und damit noch in vielen Jahren von verschiedenen Herstellern unterstützt wird. Nun mein Problem: Auf der ADOBE-Web-Side ist ein DNG-Converter, den man runterladen kann und der auch mit meinem Photoshop Elements 3.0 laufen soll. Bei mir fünktioniert es allerdings nicht. Kann mir jemand einen Tipp geben?

Der DNG-Converter ist ein unabhängiges Programm, das mit und ohne Photoshop funktioniert. Wenn bei Photoshop CS das CamerRaw-Update runtergeladen wird, kann auch der Converter mit runtergeladen werden. Der Converter wird zukünftig regelmäßig aktualisert und ist für die interessant, deren Camera nicht mehr von CS unterstützt wird.
In PS CS2, oder genauer gesagt im Camera Raw der Creative Suite 2 kann man auch DNGs speichern, hierbei ist es auch möglich, die Bilder zu beschneiden, beliebig zu rotieren etc. Das Camera Raw ist dann direkt aus Bridge und aus Photoshop ansteuerbar. Deshalb befindet sich das Camera Raw Plugin nicht mehr im Zusatzmoduleordner von PS, sondern im Application Support/Adobe/Plugins.
Interessant ist auch noch, wenn Sie in Photoshop CS2 unter Platzieren...: Camera Raw (beliebiges unterstütztes CR) eine CR-Datei importieren, wird diese als Smart Objects gespeichert. Diese Smart Object können Sie dann jederzeit durch Doppelklicken wieder im Camera Raw öffnen und als DNG wieder speichern. Alle Informationen sind dabei erhalten. Smart Objects sind in der Ebenenpalette als Ebenen mit einem entsprechenden Symbol zu sehen. Man kann Sie auch maskieren und mit anderen SOs als neue SO zusammenfassen und Instanzen (identisch) erstellen.

Is there a quicker way to do a back-up of a full Lightroom catalogue & DNGs?

Hoping someone can help - sorry if I'm being thick, I'm not very techno-minded!
I am working with Lightroom 3 on a Mac OS X 10.5.8. I archive photos from the Mac hard drive onto an external hard drive (linked to the Mac via an AirPort) every few months, moving them within Lightroom to keep them visible in my working catalogue, so I can continue to access them. The Mac is backed up using the Time machine function every hour, and my automatic Lightroom catalogue backup is saved to the Mac hard drive, thus being backed up onto Time machine automatically as well (Is this wrong?).
I want to back up my archived photos from the external hard drive onto a second external hard drive, then kept off-site, in case of failure / fire etc, backing up both the actual photos (DNGs) and the Lightroom adjustments etc. I thus need to update this back-up hard drive whenever I archive a new set of photos, the aim being to get a copy of the archive and get the back-up hard drive off the premises asap, to ensure I always have a back up of all my archived photos once they are moved off my Mac. Up till now I have been doing this by "exporting as a catalogue, with negative files", onto the second hard drive; however as my archived catalogue has now reached 14,000 photos, this latest export as a catalogue has taken 2 days.... Am I missing some easier (quicker) way to do this, please??? I don't just want a copy of the catalogue, I need the actual photos backed up as well. Hope this makes sense.

clvrmnky wrote:
BTW, at one point the advice was to not let Time Machine backup your catalogue file if Lr had it open. I'm pretty sure this is still a problem. Either always make sure Lr is not running when TM runs, or excuse the catalogue file via the TM preferences. There is a slight risk of corrupting the catalogue otherwise.
According to the Help documents, when Lr 3 is open it marks itself as private and therefore excluded from Time Machine backups. Once the application is closed down it can be backed up by Time Machine.
Re original question - use a purpose designed backup application as suggested by clvrmnky. Trying to do it any other way will get you into a world of hurt.

Why don't my Lightroom 4 DNG files show up correctly in Picasa 3.9?

Although I have really learned to love Lightroom I still like the elegant, quick and simple Picasa for certain tasks -- uploading photos to my Google web albums, setting screensaver and desktop photos, etc. But I think that Lightroom 4 made some changes to the dng format which means that when Picasa imports the files into its database the dng files (not the accompanying jpg) come in squished and banded. Does anyone else find this problem? Is it something that Lightroom can fix or can they communicate with Picasa to solve it?
I know that given Lightroom's power and fantastic ability to "develope" photos, it might seem unnecessary to use Picasa and I do admit that I don't use Picasa frequently, but still it does have its uses and I would like to see the two programs play nice together. I am using Windows 64 bit, Lightroom 4 and Picasa 3.9 and phy camera is a Nikon D3100.

When you convert a raw file to DNG there are some options such as adding fast load data (prolly want to turn that off for compatibility reasons) as well as Lossy Compression (you don't say whether or not you have selected that option). For Picasa to be able to access your DNGs, the odds are you'll have to make sure you select an older DNG spec such as 1.3 instead of the current DNG 1.4 spec used in LR4. Other than that, you may need to wait till Picasa updates their software to deal with the new DNG spec.

Can you tell me when RAW (ORF) support for Olympus E-PL7 in Lightroom or DNG Converter is coming? The camera is no use to me until you provide support!

I recently bought the new Olympus E-PL7 an dam finding ti incredibly frustrating that Lightroom still doesn't support it. Is there any news on that?

First of all, this is a user-to-user forum. Nobody here can tell you when/if that camera will be supported. Secondly, Adobe doesn't make announcements like that in advance. The camera will be supported when it is. All of the previous models of that series are now supported in Lightroom, so I suspect it will only be a matter of time until your model will be supported. I know that isn't what you want to hear, but that is the reality of things. There is a release candidate of the next Camera Raw and DNG converter, but your camera is not listed as one of the newly supported cameras. That does not mean that it wouldn't be included in the final version. You just have to wait and see.

Lightroom and DNG files

Can Lightroom 1.0 write data to DNG files?

It won't let you write them with a full-size preview though like the DNG Converter will.

Lightroom 3 DNG profiles for K5

I tried to find DNG profiles for my new K5 on the net, but I failed. Are there any available or do I have to wait for the next Lightroom update?
Up to now I can only choose "embedded".

There you are then...no calibration available for un supported formats. If the camera shoots natively in DNG you will get all the benefits of RAW except for the calibration as none will be available until Adobe builds some. Therefore I assume LR is using the camera embedded sRGB or Adobe RGB space used for the jpg. The great advantage of native DNG is that at least LR will read it even before the camera is formally supported, however until the camera is fully supported some things such as calibration and I assume lens calibration won't be available.
You could also rewrite the camera name tag in the RAW files (using ExifEditor or similar) to a Pentax camera supported by Adobe and then you will be able to use the calibrations built for those cameras, not a perfect solution but always worth a try, just make sure you keep copies of the unchanged files.
Hopefully the K5 will be supported in LR 3.3 otherwise you will have to wait until LR 3.4 for full support.

When is RAW (ORF) support for Olympus E-PL7 in Lightroom or DNG Converter coming?

When are you planning of implementing this feature?
Thank you!

First of all, this is a user-to-user forum. Nobody here can tell you when/if that camera will be supported. Secondly, Adobe doesn't make announcements like that in advance. The camera will be supported when it is. All of the previous models of that series are now supported in Lightroom, so I suspect it will only be a matter of time until your model will be supported. I know that isn't what you want to hear, but that is the reality of things. There is a release candidate of the next Camera Raw and DNG converter, but your camera is not listed as one of the newly supported cameras. That does not mean that it wouldn't be included in the final version. You just have to wait and see.

Lightroom 5: DNG

Apologies if this has been covered previously, but I have tried searching the forum without an answer relevant to my query.
I have LR5 running on windows 8.
I've imported from my camera's memory card into Lightroom 5 , but I retained camera raw (ORF) instead of converting to DNG during import.
Can someone please advise how I can convert to DNG having imported native camera raw?
Many thanks.

What we know:
Adobe-converted DNGs may or may not be readable in the future.
Your ORF files may or may not be readable in the future.
ORF files are readable now/today by most raw-savvy software, including newest Adobe software, but not necessarily older Adobe software.
Adobe-converted DNGs are problematic in many of today's (non-Adobe) raw-savvy software, but will work in most Adobe software, even the older stuff, although you may need to write those DNGs in an older DNG format to be compatible.
So if you want maximum compatibility with today's software: stick with the format your files are already in.
If you want maximum compatibility with yesterdays Adobe software, you may need to convert to (potentially an older) DNG format.
If you want maximum compatibility for the future: guess which format will win the war...
Summary:
Today: (Adobe-converted) DNGs are in (what I call) "Adobe's proprietary raw file format" - I call it that because so much non-Adobe software does not handle it properly.
Tomorrow: Only time will tell.
Note: Many raw-savvy softwares (which purport DNG support) can read in-camera DNGs but not Adobe-converted DNGs. Of course, it's not Adobe's fault, but still...
My opinion:
if the format your files are (currently) in works with all software you are currently using, it's worth re-asking yourself why you want to reformat them.
Note: You can reformat any or all of your files as soon as you need to, as long as you know where those files are and don't wait so long that the software to do it no longer runs on any machines you'll have available.
To boil that down:
* In my opinion: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
* Or conversely, if it needs converting, then convert it, but beware: you can not convert back from DNG - it's a one-way conversion. (put another way: there is no "revert from DNG" function, other than by importing original raws as separate files, transferring settings from DNGs to original raws, and deleting DNGs, or SQL hacking, etc...).
Put another way: I think conversion should be driven by a real need (today), as opposed to speculation about the future.
Anology: it's like flac vs. aac (lossless music formats) - if you can tag and play (etc...) your flac files (always lossless) everywhere you want to, why is it you're converting to aac (lossless)?
Finally: if Adobe did provide a "revert from DNG" function, I would whole-heartedly recommend Lightroom users convert to DNG (and keep original raws for potential reversion or the other stuff), because there would be nothing to lose. As it stands, if you convert to DNG, you may end up joining the ranks of those who've paint themselves into a DNG corner, and now can not get out, without getting paint all over themselves, so to speak. Again, there's plenty of Adobe software in that corner, so many Adobe-only (or compatible) software users don't even realize they're in a corner.
That said, I fully acknowlege that the primary reason most people convert to DNG is to take a side in the format war (or because they've drinken the cool-aid of the DNG zealots, whether knowingly or unwittingly), more specifically, so Adobe wins said war, and there is something to be said for that, I'm just not sure what...
And also, there are some benefits to DNG not shared by other formats (and vice versa), but if you don't know what those are, and therefore how to weigh the pros and cons, then you're steering blind...
PS - Please don't get me wrong - I fully and unconditionally support DNG as the common format of the future, it's just that I think you should know: we're not there yet, and there may (or may not) be a penalty for early adoption.
Rob

Does Lightroom rerender DNG previews????

When a DNG is generated outside of LR, with a large preview, and then imported into LR, after any modifications, say in CS3 and reimported, does the preview get rerendered as a smaller preview? Hope that makes sense.
LR does not generate a full size preview when generating DNG's, that is why I want to generate DNG's outside of LR before import.
Some workflows don't create DNG's until the archiving stage. I am looking at generating the DNG's prior to importing into LR.
Thanks for any input......

johnbeardy,
Thanks. You are right. My bad. I am so used to using ACR 4 on one file at a time (and virtually never saving to DNG), and copy/paste on settings for multiple file edits, that I didn't realize that it would batch save to DNG in Bridge 2 beta 2. I have a new client now that sends me DNGs, so I better get up to speed on how to deal with them, even though I have no plans to use DNG myself.
Now that I think about it, why couldn't the DNG converter also be used for that same purpose? I notice that it will allow specification of the Preview size.
By the way, it would be helpful if LR had some of the same configurability, as with setting Preview size in DNG saves, that Bridge 2 beta 2 has.
I am really anxious to test Bridge2/ACR4 once it gets out of beta in a side by side workflow comparison with LR once it gets optimized in V 1.x. Should be interesting! Adobe gets my money in any event :)

Dng from lightroom to photoshop are different

Hello, I've got a problem when I export my Raw file (convert in lightroom as dng) as smart object in photoshop, it render differently and I really don't know why...
I export from lightroom as Tiff ProPhoto 16bits without compression as smart object.
In photoshop, my file apear to be washed out but if I double click on my smart object, I've got the same render as in lightroom.
Now if I open my dng directly in camera raw, make some adjustment and open as smart object, the render apear to be washed out to
Please help me
From lightroom after editing it :
Imported as smart object in photoshop
Camera raw version (aflter double click on my smart object or if I open my dng in camera raw. Please note tha if I open this version as smart object directly from camera row I got the same image as above)
The stars in the photoshop version are completly different or it's my eyes ?
I'm running LR5, photoshop CS6, Camera Raw 8.3 on windows 7 64bits
Please help

This is probably due to the difference in scaling algorithms in Lightroom and Photoshop when you are zoomed out. To display an image on your screen at zoomed out zoom levels, the program has to scale down your image. The algorithm used can strongly alter the appearance of detail. Photoshop does different things depending on zoom level. If it is a zoom factor of 2 or multiples of that (25%, 50%, etc.) it uses a different algorithm than at non even zooms (i.e. 33%, 66%). In Lightroom, at least in Library, it uses a system dependent algorithm but uses it always (except at 1:1 and higher zooms). In develop, it does something different altogether. Bottom line is that in neither program you can judge actual sharpness/detail if you are not at 1:1 (100% in PS) or higher zoom. At fit views, the algorithm used to scale down has a strong influence on the appearance of sharpness.

Lightroom ändert DNG Dateien?

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