Lightroom archiving?

Can we burn to optical or move to any other offline storage, remove the original file and retain the reference in the database, pointing to offline storage media?
Is this still the same with V1.1. I've just upgraded but I don't see any improvement.
I've heard of previous workaround tutorials (but haven't read), but the only workaround that springs to mind is by using an IPTC field with a CD/DVD label reference, export and then delete the files (not in LR - in Explorer or similar). The files will show as missing in LR, but the thumb and fullsize render will remain in the cache with a reference to the correct disc is you want to did it out.
If I'm right, even iPhoto offers a facility such as this, and I'm a little suprised it cannot be done in something that costs this much.

Ignore J Ituarte, he knows nothing about what he talks about.
If you want to use off-line storage with Lightroom, all you need to do is 'lose' your original files, and then find them again by pointing to the DVD as the correct location. It's basically the same as moving the originals to a removable hard drive, keeping the hard drive unplugged, and then when you plug it in, telling LR where to find them again. We do it all the time.
On a Mac it is a little more complex than on a PC, because LR on a Mac will automatically find the files if the folder has just been renamed, while on a PC if you rename a folder LR will lose track of it. So you can't just copy all your files on a Mac to a DVD and then just rename the original folder to test before you delete the folder.
The thumbnails are always kept in a subdirectory of the catalog folder, and you do not need the originals online as long as you are just using the Library module. You can browse as much as you want... I would recommend making the largest, highest quality previews possible if you plan on doing offline work. And since the edit commands are kept in the library also, you do not need write capability on your removable media either once the originals have been placed there.
As far as offline DAM functionality, the 'no need for originals' is DAM nice. Just remember that DVD's are pretty untrustworthy (they get lost, scratched, chipped, faded, etc), so you might want to just use an external USB drive to emulate a DVD (mark the folder read only and keep it under 4.7 GB in size), and keep a second copy on an actual DVD for backup.

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Is adjusting permissions for LightRoom based archive management worthwhile?

I'm trying to set up an archive that is managed through a LightRoom Catalog. I was wondering if anyone has done this before and adjusted the permissions of their files to read only to ensure that LightRoom Catalog metadata changes do not alter or get saved to files.
I plan to have the archive set up in 3 locations with copies of the LightRoom Catalog. I will need to be able to add keywords and collections to a catalog at 2 of the locations. I am interested in using permissions to ensure that the catalog is the only file that needs to travel between the locations. I don't want to get into a situation in which altering the LightRoom Catalog might alter files and necessitate that I either save new metadata to files with each keyword/collection addition or that I regularly synchronize the entire archive to ensure all 3 copies of the archive are mirrors of one another.
I have three serious concerns about the longterm viability of managing file permissions:
1. I worry that it will be difficult to manage the user/s who have the privileges to manage these permissions and that it will be difficult to do so in different locations and on different computers
2. I worry about whether permissions management might introduce some form of file corruption
3. I worry about the time involved in altering an entire archives worth of permissions to read only and the time involved in reversing this every time I want to unarchive content for new projects
I have also posted this question to Luminous Landscape here: Adjusting Permissions for LightRoom Catalog Based Archive Managment. Worthwhile?

... and adjusted the permissions of their files to read only to ensure that LightRoom Catalog metadata changes do not alter or get saved to files.
By default, Lightroom does not write anything to your photo files. Of course, there's no way to prevent a user from changing this default behavior and writing information to the files. I suppose making the directories read-only helps, but people could still change that. If the directories are on a server, then only the server admin could change the permissions.
2. I worry about whether permissions management might introduce some form of file corruption
I never heard of such a thing, but this is an operating system issue, not a Lightroom issue.
I worry about the time involved in altering an entire archives worth of permissions to read only and the time involved in reversing this every time I want to unarchive content for new projects
I don't think you understand how Lightroom works. There would be no need to reverse anything to "unarchive" the content — although in my opinion, the idea of "archiving" content in the first place doesn't feel right ... if the photos are imported into Lightroom at one time, leave them in Lightroom, don't go through an archive process removing the photos from Lightroom followed by unarchive process, that is something that is ineffective and causes numerous problems with non-expert users. When you import photos into Lightroom, the photos still remain on your hard disk somewhere, Lightroom does not actually keep a copy of the photo. Lightroom keeps pointers to the photo's locations and stores any metadata and edits. Removing a photo from Lightroom (archiving) is the equivalent of deleting the metadata and edits, and I cannot see a reason to do that.
So, bottom line, to answer your title question, "Is adjusting permissions for Lightroom based archive management worthwhile?" — without further discussion of your setup and goals, I see no reason to even spend your time on this, unless you are the server admin of the location where the photos are stored, in which case then the answer is go right ahead and make them read-only.

How to edit images on local drive and then archive to external?

I have a Drobo that I use to archive my permanent lightroom archive and image files. Currently, everything lightroom resides on this external drive. But the Drobo is no where near as fast as my internal hard drive as far as read/write and seek speed. I was wondering if there is a fairly easy way for me to work with my most recent import of images off of my internal hard drive and then "move" the images to the drobo once my post-processing is complete. I'm thinking storing the catalog on my internal drive would make sense as well and then use lightroom's built in catalog backup feature to backup the catalog file to the external drive. Any suggestions for those of you out there using Drobos or other large external storage devices on some type of "best practice" would be great. I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere in the forum; I searched but I couldn't find anything.

bisabuelo wrote:
... I was wondering if there is a fairly easy way for me to work with my most recent import of images off of my internal hard drive and then "move" the images to the drobo once my post-processing is complete. ...
You can do exactly that, I do it all the times. Import your photos to an internal drive, work on them, and once you're done with the major work, move the photos or folder(s) from within LR to your drobo. LR will keep track of where your photos are if you move them from within LR.
I even sometimes move an image to a tomporary directory on a local drive from my NAS storage before opening it in PSE, since the building of a large TIFF takes forever on my NAS. I then move it back after finishing my work.
... I'm thinking storing the catalog on my internal drive would make sense as well and then use lightroom's built in catalog backup feature to backup the catalog file to the external drive. ...
I think that's a good way of handling it.
Please also be aware of the fact that the most important performance topics are access times to
Catalog
Previews
ACR cache (!!)
Access time to the raw file itself is actually not the most important issue.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

Link to source folder broken

Hi everyone
I have just upgraded my Mac and the folder generated when I imported to lightroom now has a new location.
Hence all my images in lightroom are displayed with broken links.
Is there a simple way to re-establish the link?
The folder content remains unaltered its just that it is in a different place.
I can go though each image but there are 1000s.
Previous location: /Volumes/PDHD-01/01-LIGHTROOM ARCHIVE/ etc
Its the PDHD01 part of the thread that I need to replace.

Pete
Thank you for your prompt response and apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
I am unsure how to actually proceed with your advice.
I have a screen full of images with '?' symbols and although I can click on one image and re-establish a route to the source folder I do not know how to access all the subfolders with their images in one go.
The Lightroom prompts only seem to allow for one file at a time.
There is a ticked box at the bottom of the page which states 'Find nearby missing photos' but it only relinks the image files on the one folder.
I have 3000+ images on loads of separate folders...
So the question is - and I apologise if this is an obvious question - how do I gain access to the functions that will re-link all the subfolders with their image files in the main folder?
you state... Right click (or cttr click) on the highest level folder location shown as missing.... I just do not know where to click to find this..
Thanks for your patience..
Peter

Large JPG files from LR5.3 not to open in PSCC

Hello,
I'm not sure if I'm right here.
Wind 8.1.64bit
Most of the time I export photos from lightroom archive if I want to use a pic. Now I found that I can't load/edit this files in PS. Open yes, pic is to see, but there will be alwway a ring and I can't do anything. The only I can do is killing PS by TaskManager.
Open smaller pics ist just fine. So I found: convert the LR-Jpeg by another programm to 96ppi. Open it in PS an make it to 300ppi, edit the one and only layer, save it as usual Jpeg. Now it es a big edited Jpeg picture. (But doesn't make sence to change the sizes therefore) But if I try to edit this again, I will get the same hanging PS after it was opened.
Maybe it is an issue for large files in PS? And has nothing wih my LR-exported files to do?
Regards
Detlef

What are the pixel dimensions of the too-big-for-PS images from LR? PS does have a limit although I think it is 30,000 pixels on a side.
Can you upload one of these JPGs to www.dropbox.com <http://www.dropbox.com> and post a public download link, here, so others can test to see if the image also doesn’t work in their PS? This would help determine if something specific to your computer, perhaps a plug-in, or the video drivers, doesn’t like the image or if it is something universal in PS. It could be something where PS is asking for more memory and the OS is taking a long time to give it some.

I've send from Lightroom 5 photos in Jpeg format to my desktop that arrive as Archive and I'm unable to do anything with the photos. I want to put them in a folder but can't. It seems problem is in them being in 'archive'. Any suggestions?

I've exported photos from Lightroom 5 from my laptop to my wife's desktop. The photos arrive as Archive and she's unable to do anything with them, such as catalog them in an IPhoto folder with other photos. Is there an adjustment I need to make when exporting from Lightroom 5 so we can avoid this problem? Thank you.

Sorry - this is the iPhoto for Mac support forum - Your question does not involve iPhtoo for the Mac in any way - you need to contact Adobe or use an Adobe LR support forum for LR support
Afar as iPhoto is concerned it can import JPEGs and TIFFs - plus a few others - I have no idea what an archive format is and neither does iPhoto
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Native RAW import and editing of images from leading digital cameras and camera backs
(See RAW support page for model listing.)
.ARW, .CR2, .CRW, .MOS, .NEF, .RAF, .RAW, .SRW, .TIF, .OLY, .FFF, .3FR, .DNG1
Compatible with all major still image formats
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What happened to the Lightroom 5 Beta forum? Deleted, not archived or merged?

What happened to the Lightroom 5 Beta forum? I understand that LR5.2 is now in full release, but it would be nice if the Beta forum was locked and archived for reference. It seems to have been completely deleted, along with some detailed feedback by myself and other Beta testers. (I can't find it if it is archived, anyway.) None of my many, many LR5Beta forum contributions are listed in my "Content" tab in my Adobe profile. All of the links to the LR5Beta discussion in which I contributed to (such as http://forums.adobe.com/message/5271729#5271729 ) lead me to this message:
"Unauthorized
It appears you're not allowed to view what you requested. You might contact your administrator if you think this is a mistake."

Big thumbs up for Pete.Green and Daniel T! Thank you for this incredibly fast response! I worked very hard on explaining my "Advanced Adjustment Brush" proposal back in May 2013, and I am glad that it is again available for reference... in fact, even better, as it appears that the thread is now fully unlocked and availble to reply to. I still firmly believe this proposal is the way forward for Lightroom's local adjustment tools in the future. I hope that the remainder of the LR5Beta forums will eventually be brought back for reference.

Lightroom 2.5 Archiving & Performance

First, I appreciate your help.
We are working on incorporating Lightroom into our workflow and have a couple of questions about Archiving. We currently have x00,000 images on backup drives, active on our network, that we have not imported into Lightroom. In looking at the catalogue and metadata search capabilities, I would find great benefit to be able to search all of our images (currently we are using Google Desktop to search archived files - by name). So here is a set of questions:
(1) Does anyone have experience with this volume of images in a catalogue and is there an impact on performance (currently I only have around 7,000 images in my catalogue).
(2) If we take the archived images completely offline does the catalogue maintain a preview or is that stored in the .xmp or raw file. One of the issues I have with Google Desktop is that I cannot display a NEF file for a quick scan. Again I am worried about performance if a find through the catalogue has to reference the raw file to build a preview.
So what I am thinking here is that I would need to churn through an import process over the course of weekends and then be able to use the "ITunes" functionality of creating collections independent of the file structure that has been in place.
Thank you again for your help.
Travis

LR 2 is said to show some performance issues with very large catalogs...this is one of the issues being addressed in LR 3, my catalog is only around 50,000 so can't say it has ever affected me.
Previews of files are generated on import and retained for whatever period of time you set in preferences ( 1 week, 1 month, for ever). These can be viewed whilst the images are off line and are stored in a separate folder with the catalog and not in the xmp data associated with the file itself.
I think you will find that even with some of the relatively minor performance issues associated with very large (and we are talking over 100,00 files) the functionality of LR 2 will be far better than any other methods of cataloging images, but you should make sure you back up everything (including the original files) on import in the same folder structure as the files are presently in (makes it much easier for LR to use the backup files if the originals are lost). After import folder structures are irrelevant and you can use collections, keywords and anything in metadata for locating images quickly in the future..

Importing Archive into Lightroom

I need a little direction before I start this huge project. I have been put in charge of organizing a main archive that is totally uncategorized, not keyworded or even separated by subfolders. I also need to add images from current projects to the archive and organize/keyword in the same way. So, my plan is to create a LR catalog for the archive and keyword as I import. I do use LR for editing smaller projects, but I have not used LR for such a daunting project involving keywording and I just want to make sure I do this right from the get-go
Should I import the entire archive into LR, create collections and then keyword? Or should I create subfolders outside of LR and then import the subfolders individually so that I can keyword them in groups? Also, should I keep jpegs and tifs of the same image together in the same collection or keep them separate? Any tips or advice are greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

Hal P Anderson wrote:
Look here for a wealth of information on best practices.
Peter Krogh, the author of The DAM Book directed the creation of that website.
Hal
What a great website, thanks Hal. But where should I take all the time from to read through it?
Beat

Archive back ups on DVDs in Lightroom

I'm in the process of importing (MOVING) all images into Lightroom as my ONLY image storage. It's possible to download files to DVD on IMPORT BUT WHY BACK UP images that may be culled once in Lightroom? I've set the schedule for back up to hard drive in Lightroom and also back up to an external drive. So, do I have to EXPORT the keepers, then re-IMPORT them in order to back up to DVDs? Seems like the long way around. Just forget about DVDs? Am I missing something here?
Also, which is the proper location for FOLDERS -- lr.cat or lr.data?

Hi Joia.
I'm a bit late on this but wanted to ask if you are backing up your catalog. (the Ircat file)? And your pictures where ever they are.
I haven't used Lightroom since my trial ended. Am waiting for a couple of features before I buy it. But have learned from losing a lot of work that backups are a high priority. I "think" you can just copy the Ircat file to an external hard drive. You can probably find the answer to that by a search for "backup" or "backing up" in the forum.
By the way, it IS a good idea to also back your pictures up to DVDs periodically. It's often recommended by professionals and those who care about their pictures. Hard drives fail. Two hard drives can fail. When I lost a year of work, I had three backups and all three failed at the same time, though I imagine that is rare.
The best way is to back up your pictures (and catalog) to an external hard drive and then to DVDs once a week or month depending on how many new ones you take. How much work are you comfortable with losing?
It is much easier to store a DVDs backup set in another place. I have a safety deposit box for one set and store another at my daughter's house because it is more accessible there. If we have a fire or theft, at least my photos won't be lost.
Please don't be embarrassed about asking questions. We all had to start from the beginning. Sometimes questions are noticed and answered generously by helpful people on this forum. Other times I haven't had any answers. It's worth a try.
I think it's great that you are not letting age stop you from learning a new hobby. My husband is 76 and he won't go near a computer. I don't pick new things up easily like I did when I was younger and it can be frustrating. But you will gradually understand more as you continue.
Blessings,
Peggy

I can not download updates Lightroom 5.5 and 5.6 of Lightroom 5. He tells me that there is a problem in extracting archive. Help me!!!

How can I fix this?

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Error message when trying to install Lightroom 5.7.1 on Windows 8.

Get a message saying to reinstall. Reinstalling doesn't work.

Says "A problem occurred while extracting the archive. Please try downloading the Photoshop Lightroom 5.7.1 installer again".
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Need lightroom 4.4 asmac is 10.6.8 and not compatible with anything higher. Does this come with the creative cloud? Would really like a disc but that doesn't seem to happen anymore. Currently have cs4 and d7100 hence need 4.4 to open raw Any idea

need lightroom 4.4 asmac is 10.6.8 and not compatible with anything higher. Does this come with the creative cloud? Would really like a disc but that doesn't seem to happen anymore. Currently have cs4 and d7100 hence need 4.4 to open raw Any ideas? Is this now customer service or does adobe have a customer service team . Site not user friendly. Thanks

Graham Giles wrote:
Have you seen this type of problem before? I think it could be a serious issue for anyone in a similar position.
No; but then, I've not had occasion to use TDM. I've been using firerwire drives for over 10 years, both FW400 and FW800, with no issues except a bit of instability using a B&W G3 machine.
TDM should be safe. Using cautious, manual copying of files from the Target machine to the Host machine should not result in unexpected loss of files or damage to the Target drive's directories. It should behave exactly the same as if it were an external (to the Host) firewire drive.
• I don't suppose there is anything I can do to 'put back' lost items from a separate Time Machine drive which has an up to date backup on it.
There is probably a way to do that - seems to me that's one of the reasons for a Time Machine volume.
On the other hand, if the Time Machine volume is rigidly linked to the now-absent OS on the original drive, there may be no way to effectively access the files in the TM archive.
I know that using a cloned drive would work well in this instance.
I have no experience with Time Machine, so perhaps someone who has will chime in with suggestions.
With the machine in TDM with the other machine, have you tried running Disk Utility to see if you can effect repairs to the drive?

Sending photos to Lightroom over network - what works, what doesn't?

This weekend, my wife and I are helping with a photo shoot (member's photo directory for a local non-profit).
Here is what we've done in the past with Picasa and what we're trying to duplicate:
Photographer takes photos, which are saved onto his Windows laptop via Firewire in the studio.
SyncBack SE running on two networked Windows PCs make copies of the photos from the laptop onto the local hard drives.
Picasa automatically detected the newly-taken photos with its "Watch Folder" feature.
My wife and I do some cropping, adjusting, etc, so that the photos can be quickly reviewed and selected by the customer.
We exported the edited photos into folders in JPEG format.
The photographer takes the JPEGs and uses them to guide his re-edits of the raw photos with PhotoShop.
Ouch! Re-editing wastes a TON of time!
This time, we plan to use LightRoom; this will ensure that our cropping and editing will go right into PhotoShop easily (or so I'm told--I haven't USED LightRoom much yet!)
Big show-stopper: testing (by the photographer) caused duplicate photos in the LightRoom library, mitigated by a manual step or two to import as a work around some LightRoom quirks. And LightRoom doesn't really play nicely with network drives, or so it seems.
I think what we're aiming for is to have a "local catalog" in LightRoom, and have the photos stored in a network drive which it will "watch". That way, all we need to do is export our cropped/edited LightRoom catalogs, which the photographer can import into LightRoom, then it's a quick jump to PhotoShop.
... or is this not the tool for the job?

Per documentation Lr is not a network operation and per several posts in this forum is stated as such. I stopped using Picasa when Lr came out for the public. With PsCS5 another tool comes up as Bridge which I have not used. I have only read the basic Adobe description. Though I do know several Pro Photographers do use Bridge with multiple users even in different states. I do not see why you are editing jpegs for Proofs and as samples for a Photographer to re-edit in a different format, no matter which software you use. My workflow uses RAW files and an Import as DNG along with make a second copy to another folder in Lr and archive of RAW files after a double check of files and I only Export as jpeg after processing. But I only use 1 Lr Catalog and not a network solution.
My way of course is just my opinion of how my service works. Does anyone here also use Adobe Bridge?

I use an external hard drive for my Lightroom library and I notice that all the images shown on there are DNG. On my MAC hard drive I have images shown as NEF. I desperately need to free up space on my hard drive, can I safely delete these NEFs?

I use an external hard drive for my Lightroom library and I notice that all the images shown on there are DNG. On my MAC hard drive I have images shown as NEF. I desperately need to free up space on my hard drive, can I safely delete these NEFs?

dj_paige wrote:
however, I do point out that obtaining an additional hard drive and not throwing anything away seems a preferable solution to me.
heidie22, dj_paige has a very good point there. I would not through away the NEF files; I would archive them to a external drive.
By the way, I am assuming that converting RAW files to DNG is a decision you have made and not an accident.

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