Lightroom Camera Calibration tab

I use an iMac. I have Creative Cloud, Lightroom and Photoshop CC. I use a Panasonic DMC GH3 but using Panasonic RAW files, RW2 format, I can not see any camera presets, Natural, Vivid etc, under the Camera Calibration tab, just Adobe Standard. The camera is allegedly supported by Camera RAW but I can’t get beyond Adobe Standard, can anyone help please.
Thanks in advance
Jeff Hodgson

jeffnsue wrote:
Thanks very much, I guess it’s too much to expect Adobe to cater for all the minority brands at specific camera level. At least from what you say my “adobe Standard’ is specific to my camera, or perhaps specific to panasonic in general
Jeff Hodgson
Note you can build your own if you own a MacBeth 24 patch target or the newer (and more useful) X-rite Passport target.
http://xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?id=1257
Or you can edit an existing profile to get that 'vivid' or similar 'look' using the free Adobe DNG camera profile editor.
Adobe - DNG Profile Editor : For Macintosh : DNG Profile Editor 1.0.4

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I don't think that many people do this in camera raw, but it was kind of an important step in my workflow with the Canon 7D before and is just not working the same way with the 5D Mark III now.
In the Camera Calibration Tab (Third from the right side) I always changed Camera Profile from Adobe Standard to Camera Standard or Camera Portrait. This step made the image automatically look better, contrast was better and the highlights look a lot better that way. Of course the "Camera Portrait" option makes the image a lil bit red, like the Picture Style in the camera does. But it was an easy adjustment with the Hue Slider of the Red Channel. Like I already said - really great improvement of the image on the 7D raw files, beautiful highlights, shiny, contrasty and so on... Same stuff worked with 5D Mark II perfectly, too.
Now with the 5D Mark III the "Camera Portrait" option, my favourite one, gets me pretty bad results. The Image is too strong oversaturated, too much red in the skintones and in the shadows, too! Shadow contrast gets worse and I can't control this settings the way I did before with the hue/saturation sliders of the channels. It's too extreme red or it's too yellow, but not something right between this extremes. And the highlights get some green tint, so it's no real optimization of the image overall quality at all, like with the other cameras. I don't know if the support of the 5DMIII is still not up to date... It is not only my camera, I also have asked other photographers with a 5D Mark III and they have the same issues changing the camera profile. Lightroom has exactly the same effect... It would be great, if an Adobe Employee can forward this issues, so that it gets tweaked with the further updates and 5dm3 will work the same way in camera raw like mark 2 or 7D.
Sorry for my bad english

Yes, white balance is another possible reason for mismatch
These rules apply:
- if you use white balance "as shot", then white balance in ACR will be the same as from camera or DPP (in a sense - what is white color in ACR will be white in DPP also). However, color temperature/tint shown in ACR will be probably slightly different than value recorded in exif of jpeg or raw file. It's because in that case, whitebalancing is performed using some metadata in raw file by both ACR or DPP, while temperature displayed in ACR is calculated from that metadat using color matrices in selected profile, according to a formula from one book (as documented in dng sdk), while DPP is probably using some other formula or slightly different color matrices
- the same will happen if you use WB dropper on exactly the same position in the photo by both ACR and DPP
- but, if you use the same temperature preset in ACR and DPP (for instance 5200 K), then white in ACR and DPP will probably be a bit different, because whitebalancing is performed in oposite direction now (ACR calculates RGB multipliers from that temperature and using color matrices in the profile)
I hope this was understandable, although it's a bit complicated

X-rite colorchecker passport profile created but does not appear in the Camera Calibration tab!

I have installed x-rite colorchecker passport and lightroom 5.0. I followed the tutorial in setting up my camera profile and lightroom reported created successfully. However after restarting Lightroom, I could not find my created profile other than the Adobe Standard in the Camera Calibration tab.
Please help !

X-Rite has a free DNG Profile Manager that can be downlaoded after registering your ColorChecker Passport here:
http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_registration.aspx
You will be offered a link to download the free app. See if the profile you created is visible with the app.
Here's where the user camera profiles should be located with LR5:
Windows—C: \ Users \ [your username] \ AppData \ Roaming \ Adobe \ CameraRaw \ CameraProfiles \
Mac—Macintosh HD / Users / [your username] / Library / Application Support / Adobe / CameraRaw / CameraProfiles /
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What does "Camera Profile" mean in the Camera Calibration tab in PSE 12?

I recently made the switch to edit exclusively in Photoshop Elements 12. I need help understanding what I need to select for the "Camera Profile" drop down in the Camera Calibration tab. I shoot with a Canon Mark II. Will the camera profile selection affect my prints at all? First, what does the camera profile mean? I go back and forth between Adobe Standard and Camera Standard. Sometimes I get truer color with Camera Standard than the Adobe Standard for my outside photos. I'm so confused as to which one I should be editing with. I just want to be sure this is not going to affect my prints because I just recently ordered a print from Millers and it was saturated, shadowing and skin had orange tone. I have never had a problem with my calibration and have always ordered from Millers with no problem. This is the first print I ordered after editing exclusively with PSE 12 so I'm wondering if I have setting wrong. Thanks so much!

Will the camera profile selection affect my prints at all?
It will affect prints to the same extent that it affects the monitor display, but no more than that. The differences that you see in color rendering when switching between profiles will be embodied in the jpg that you eventually make for sending to the print lab, but will not in itself cause the discrepancies you describe.

Camera calibration tab and camera color space

Hi, I need a confirmation about the hue and saturation sliders on the camera calibration tab. They are there for fine tuning the camera color space primaries in a DNG profile? Thanks a lot.

Hello, here I'm again.
I'm probably in the wrong forum, because I can't tell you anything about the DNG secrets
(though I have the specs).
About your second question (more an issue for a color science forum), I've found something:
Estimation of the primaries for a digital camera:
Please refer to these docs:
(1)
Concerning the Calculation of the Color Gamut in a Digital Camera
Francisco Martínez-Verdú et al.
http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F %2Frua.ua.es%2Fdspace%2Fbitstream%2F10045%2F973%2F1%2Fproof_final.pdf&ei=uL8UU8-dKYO9ygORs IKADQ&usg=AFQjCNGKNGHQZJoHu_dc2JwQwtLXOpsTBQ&bvm=bv.61965928,d.bGQ&cad=rja
(2)
http://docs-hoffmann.de/leastsqu16112006.pdf
Given is an equation
(*) X = C R
We have two applications:
(1) Original question
X = Matrix X1 X2 ... Xm
                Y1 Y2 ... Ym
                 Z1 Z2 ... Zm
m=41 values in each row for CIE CMFs (color matching functions) 380nm...780nm
R = Matrix R1 R2 ... Rm
                 G1 G2 ... Gm
                 B1 B2 ... Bm
41 values in each row for the sensor sensitivities for red, green and blue CCD array elements
Matrix C is found by solving equation (*), using the pseudoinverse.
Matrix C contains the XYZ-coordinates of the primaries red, green, blue as columns 1, 2 and 3.
(2) About the mathematics
X = Matrix X1 X2 ... Xm
                 Y1 Y2 ... Ym
                 Z1 Z2 ... Zm
m=24 values for the GretagMacbeth ColorChecker
R = Matrix R1 R2 ... Rm
                  G1 G2 ... Gm
                  B1 B2 ... Bm
24 values in each row for the RGB results als delivered by the camera, for instance in sRGB.
Matrix C contains the XYZ-coordinates of the effective primaries(including sRGB) red, green, blue as columns.
(2) explains the principle of the pseudoinverse for overdetermined systems of linear equations.
(1) explains the application for the identification of camera primaries for given sensor sensitivities.
Unfortunately, the whole concept will fail, if the camera sensor sensitivities (CMFs) are not
linear combinations of the CIE CMFs x-bar, y-bar, z-bar. In this case, a camera does not have
primaries, but the computational result can be used as an approximation.
CMF = color matching function (CIE)
I regret –it cannot be explained 'for the layman'.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

Camera calibration tab in ACR ...

When we slide the saturation slider for a primary to the left end (completely desaturated position), does it mean that we move this primary to the white point on the chromaticity diagram? Thanks ...

Jeff Schewe wrote:
Moving the camera calibration saturation sliders to -100 does not completely desaturate the RGB colors. It only moves the saturation in a range useful for camera calibration–you would never need to completely desaturate a sensors colors for the purposes of calibration.
I see ... but as ssprengel said, if you desaturate three primaries -250 in total, input profiles on the camera calibration tab can be made monochrome. I think that the range of saturation sliders are going beyond which are required for just fine tuning camera profiles. Am I missing something?

Lightroom camera calibration

why is cmarea calibration darken out in lightroom 4.4? Why can't I change the settings, I have a nikon D5100 camera, the software image come out lighter.

Moving this discussion to the Photoshop Lightroom forum.

"Camera Profile" in Camera Calibration ACR tab - Q

I upgraded from PSE5 whcih used ACR 4.7 - and now using PSE8 w ACR 6.1
In the Camera Calibration tab in the Camera Profile drop down - I see "ACR 4.7" still listed.
Can someone tell me how to make use of this tab and how I can delete the ACR 4.7 and use 6.1 - if there is a benefit to doing so?
Thank-you!

I think the issue could be that I have both PSE 5 & 8 installed at the moment. I'm using the 30 Day Trial - and I'll uninstall PSE 5 once I get my actual disc & serial # in the mail. I did not want to uninstall v5 until I had the v8 serial # and was convinced that v8 worked well. During the v8 installation - it recognised v5 but said I can keep it. My concern is uninstalling both and reinstalling v8 and having catalog & stack issues.
I installed the camera profiles as Adobe directs "before" pasting the new ACR 6.1 file in the folder.
Nevertheless, I installed the cameraprofiles.exe again today - previous to posting this thread.
I guess a main question is - what would I be missing out on by not having ACR 6.1 in the profile? (vs 4.6)

Lightroom 4.3 doesn't show my Camera Calibration Profile.

I have Lightroom 4.3 and a Canon 6D. I cannot get Lightroom to display my Camera Calibration Profile when I am developing a raw file.
I have dug through the MAC Library and Application Support folder and found CameraRaw. That folder contains my listed cameras. But when I am in Lightroom, I do not see that profile in the Camera Calibration section.
Is there a way to force Lightroom to display my camera profile? Lightroom 2 used to display it.

If the screen shot you posted is what you see in the Lightroom Camera Calibration panel, then they are the profiles that are specific to your camera model.
Thats just the way they are named. You will not see profiles that are specific to other cameras.

Problem with camera calibration profiles

I've been using Lightroom 4.2 on windows with a Canon 450D for a while and i only use raw files.
Under the "Camera Calibration" tab I could chose betwen acr4.4, Adobe Standard and a few canon presets (paysage, neutral, etc.)
In my opinion the ACR4.4 profile gives me better and more natural colors most of the time
Last week i upgraded for a Canon 650d. When I import my pictures and go the "develop", I can only chose betwen the Adobe Standard and the canon presets. There is no ACR x.x profile (replace the "x" by whatever it should be for a 650d)
It's not the end of the world but is it possible to download it ? or did they remove it completely for newer camera models.
In the "about adobe photoshop lightroom" windows, it says i have Camera Raw version 7.3. Reinstalling lightroom made no difference and all my drivers are up to date.

ACR is legacy profile. No new cameras have it. It won't disappear for older cameras though.
Adobe Standard is Adobe's, well, current standard.
If not optimal for your tastes, you can modify it using DNG Profile Editor.
Rob

Locate camera calibration profiles

I just reinstalled my 10.5 OS on my system. I've backed up my entire drive before reinstalling.
And now in my camera calibration tab I'm only seeing ACR 3.3 and ACR 4.4 where as before I had showing Faithful, Landscape etc..
What folder do these profiles originate from so I can copy them from my backup drive to the new reinstalled system.

The profiles should have been installed along with Lightroom 2.4 or 2.5.
When installed they can be found at Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

Camera Calibration - Profiles. How To??

I'm very new to Lightroom. I'm using a trial version of 2.6 until I get my full paid version in the mail, hopefully in one or two days.
In the develop module on the CAMERA CALIBRATION tab I have no choices for profiles. The only one there is EMBEDDED. I'm using an Olympus E-510 and have imported ORF's into Lightroom. I've downloaded something called DNG Converter 5.6 and installed it but that obviously isn't what I need because nothing has changed. It appears to be a stand alone program for converting files. Can someone tell me how to get the different profiles into Lightroom? Like I said I'm very new to Lightroom so step by step instructions will be helpful.
Thank you,
lmb

The key to calibrating your camera is the color-target along with software to create the profile from the RAW image of the target shot in the lighting you are profiling for.
If you don't have an x-rite color-checker calibration target, already, or it is quite old, then I'd recommend the X-Rite Colorchecker Passport that Jao linked, already, as a nicely portable version of the target along with some software to create the profiles.
The calibration software, from either Adobe or X-Rite is actually free, so the big expense is the color-checker calibration target, itself, and while the CCPP is a little more than just a regular CC target, the pocket-size and hard-case make is easier to handle and take care of, as compared to the larger one that comes in a plastic bag and cardboard sleeve last I knew.
If you are only doing studio work where you can keep your CC in a controlled environment, then perhaps the larger CC target would be easier to image or a model to hold, but if you are going to be out and about with one, then the Passport is easier to work with.
The profiles can be for a single light source or a special dual-illuminant profile (like all of Adobe's are) that you create with one RAW of the target in incandescent lighting and one RAW of the target in 6500K lighting -- hazy sun, or D65 bulbs. This dual-illuminant profile generally works for lighting in between incandescent and shade by interpolating the profile for the color-temperature of lighting you are in. However, I have found that if the Tint value (the magenta/green balance) is too far off of zero, like it will be for fluorescent and mercury vapor and other such lighting, then you will want a special profile for that.
Even though Adobe has made profiles for my Canon DSLR, I use two of my own most of the time, for my ad hoc outdoor and indoor shooting. I have a dual-illuminant profile using an incandescent shot and a hazy-sunny shot that is close to 6500K, where both Tint values are near zero, and then I have one more profile that I've shoot in indoor fluorescent lighting where the Tint value is closer to +30 (extra purple to counteract the fluorescent greenish cast) and that takes care of almost everything I shoot.
The DNG Profile Editor (and the X-Rite software) only operates on DNG's that you've converted from your calibration-target RAWs, but the profiles you create are for any RAWs or DNGs from the camera, so you only have to worry about DNGs at the point you're creating a profile, not when you use it.
The DNG Profile Editor has the ability to tweak existing profiles as you'd do when photographing for a catalog where the color of the clothes must be as precise as possible, but other aspects can wander a bit, but for creating a profile out of CC-RAW shots, either the Adobe or the X-Rite software works just as well.
The X-Rite software had the ability to use shots that are not exactly 2650K and 6500K like the DNG Profile Editor requires, so in my mind that is better because I don't have access to standardized light workstations, and must take my shots in more natural lighting, so need the extra leeway of the X-Rite software.

Camera Calibration profiles not showing

On Vista Business SP1, only ACR 4.4 and ACR 4.2 show in the Camera Calibration tab, in both ACR 5.3 and Lightroom 2.3.
Both
C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera
and
C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Adobe Standard
are present, with entries for my Canon 40D. The profiles were showing in earlier (beta) versions of ACR and Lightroom, and, I think, in the latest version, but now are not showing.
Thanks for any help.
Dan Dill

Somehow my install must have gotten munged.
I just reinstalled PS (and so Bridge and ACR) from the CS4 distribution, applied the related updates, and now the camera profile show properly in ACR 5.3 and LR 2.3.
I should say, the reinstall and update process went without a hitch, for which I am grateful.

Camera Calibration in ACR & DNG Profile Editor

I am having the hardest time figuring out how to use the camera profiles generated with DNG Profile Editor in Camera Raw.
I am using Photoshop CS4 in Windows 7. I have generated the .dcp file with DNG Profile Editor and saved it in the folder: Program Files/Adobe/Photoshop CS4/Presets/Camera Profiles.
This is about as far as I've gotten. I have not been able use this profile in ACR under the Camera Calibration Tab. I have been lead to believe that is would show up automatically. I have not found any video tutorials related to ACR and installing Camera Profiles. They all seem to relate to Lightroom.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you would like to look or copy profiles manually (for example you have received a profile made by someone else; for Windows7 you should be able to see where the Profiles are stored by searching for *.dcp (meaning any file with the extension .dcp)
That will show you where the Adobe supplied profiles are located. You can copy your custom profiles to the sub-folder of your camera type in the Camera folder.The other folder you see is where the Adobe Standard profiles live.
If you cannot see the programdata folder (and that is the case by default) you can make all hidden files visible:
(this from Windows Help, just search for show hidden files)
Computer>Organize>Folder and search options>View. In Advanced settings check the radio button Show hidden files, folders, and drives and then OK
Now you should see the programdata folder visible under your system (C:) folder
I hope that helps.

Camera Calibration settings????

When I am in develop mode,and I scroll down to camera calibration tab,I usally leave it set to Abode Standard.
If I change this setting to ...Camera Standard,,I see that the hitogram changes slightly ,and the image appears sharper,with a slight increase in saturation.
Can I assume that Lightroom can detect my camera{Canon 5DII } settings,and, am I getting an assigned profile?? specically for my 5DII?
Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mike

mikek244 wrote:
...Unbelievable,I never know this setting existed..Time to spend more time on this forum...
Mike,
I've suggested Adobe put Camera Profile at the top of the right-hand develop panel - as a non-collapsible ever-present setting, since its so important and frequently missed. Even after years of experience I occasionally spend several minutes editing before I realize the Camera Calibration profile is not what I want, and then start over...
In any case, I definitely think a learning resource is a good idea when first starting out. Not everything in Lightroom is obvious...
The forum is great, but also consider a book or web resource if you are really green - and dont forget Lightroom Help.
Rob

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