Lightroom/leopard/epsom 4000 prints too dark

Using LR2.1 with leopard and an epson 4000 calibrated screen results in prints which are at least one stop too dark as compared to display. Proper profiles being used and no color management selected. A fix?????????

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Hi all,
I have a newish MacBook Pro, calibrated with Spyder2, and printing to an Epson 2200. The prints are too dark, and don't really come close to matching the screen in LR. I've brought the images into PS2 for soft proofing, but the prints are still far too dark. It's not just out of LR, but DPP as well. I found this topic:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc44027/28
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Time for a reality/sanity check for those who complain that "the "prints are too dark from my Epson printer"!
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(**)please note that a fairly bright viewing light is needed for prints (made as suggested above) to appear to be a reasonably close "match" to the monitor image.
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the iMac it prints too dark
your print space is off on the Mac
or you are applying the wrong source profile or both
on the MacBook Pro, the prints are also much darker than the screen (despite color calibration
EDIT: sorry i misread that as your monitor was also dark, if the mac displays the problem doc proper, you are targeting a bad print space, that's where i would look...
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basing the source>print space conversion on the wrong source profile could account for your printing woes
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Lightroom prints too dark on Epson 7600 after 10.6 update

I've been reading / trying to troubleshoot this all day.
I've completely wiped and re-installed the printer drivers, Lightroom and the profiles.
I've tested printing with CS3 which works just fine, so it's likely not the Epson driver.
When I preview in Lightroom it looks correct, so does Print Preview. However the image coming out of the printer appears much darker with a noticeable color shift. Darks are way darker, light yellows with a hint of red become light yellow with a hint of grey.
I've tried 2.3 and 2.4.
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Because the printer still works after upgrading to Snow Leopard. As noted by the output being the same as 10.5 in all applications except Lightroom.
I appreciate the help. But that doesn't stop all signs pointing to Lightroom. Especially when most of the Epson / LR issues are 2-3 years old and I was never afflicted with.
The breakdown:
In 10.5 Lightroom, CS3, etc all printed fine. All results were the same.
In 10.6 CS3, etc still print fine, exactly the same they did in 10.5. There are no issues with the drivers, no hanging, no freezing, nothing bad coming out the printer. Everything coming out of CS3 looks the way it's supposed to and has been setup.
In 10.6 Lightroom all of the sudden does not print normally anymore. In 2.3 nor 2.4 (both released before 10.6).
I fail to see how that doesn't point all fingers at Lightroom. Perhaps they will release 2.5 and all will be well in the world.
I've come to the Adobe board to try and figure out the problem I'm having with this particular Adobe product as troubleshooting has led me here.
I'm perplexed as to how this is even an issue if LR and CS3 are supposed to use the same print routines. They should print exactly the same. If one is messed up the other should be too.

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I had done exactly that. I have an Eye-One Display 2 and used it to determine what the brightness was. I had set it to 116. It was set at its brightest setting when I got it back from QuadStar, the local Apple repair shop. The latest prints are closer to what I had with Tiger OS. I still don't know why I got the Apple Mobile Device messages when I was downloading the two Epson updated drivers and the Apple Software Update. I'm thinking they were meaningless. My ITunes works OK. ??????
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> So, Eric, you are saying we need to Convert to a space (or gamma) in
> Photoshop before Command+P -- because the Epson Adv B&W driver will
> assume a color space/gamma -- what would that assumption be based on
> (gamma of our Mac default MonitorRGB)? Assuming I am not talking
> about feeding the Epson grayscale.
Yes.
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Color Handling = Photoshop Manages Colors
Printer Profile = Adobe RGB
Rendering Intent = Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation = Enabled
Why does this work? Because no matter what your image working space is (e.g., sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, Apple RGB, ColorMatch RGB, etc.), doing this will cause your image data to be encoded in gamma 2.2 before the data gets passed off to the driver. (Adobe RGB has a gamma encoding of 2.2.)
The same workflow will work in Lightroom, too. You just need to check the "Display Profiles" checkbox in Lightroom to access Adobe RGB when selecting a printer profile.
If you are in grayscale mode instead of RGB mode, choose "Gray Gamma 2.2" instead of "Adobe RGB" for the printer profile.
However, the catch is that -- as noted in this thread -- there is currently a glitch, which we (Adobe + Apple + Epson) are investigating. One of the symptoms of that glitch is that the above suggested workflow does not work on Leopard.
> Does this CS4-Apple-Epson issue have anything to do with some users
> reporting dark prints in Photoshop Manage Color - No Color
> Adjustment Epson workflow? -- For example, someone using 1.8 gamma
> Monitor RGB...
Unlikely.

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Hi,
I've just upgraded to CS3 and everything seems to work EXCEPT printing. The pictures print but are much much too dark compared to CS2. The CS2 photoshop prints are what I see on the monitor and has worked for a couple of years.
I've tried to make all the CS3 settings the same as CS2 but I must be missing something.
I've set the print setup to:
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> So, Eric, you are saying we need to Convert to a space (or gamma) in
> Photoshop before Command+P -- because the Epson Adv B&W driver will
> assume a color space/gamma -- what would that assumption be based on
> (gamma of our Mac default MonitorRGB)? Assuming I am not talking
> about feeding the Epson grayscale.
Yes.
The ABW driver wants to be fed gamma 2.2-encoded image data.
This is why my standard recommendation for printing to the ABW driver __ONLY__ is to use:
Color Handling = Photoshop Manages Colors
Printer Profile = Adobe RGB
Rendering Intent = Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation = Enabled
Why does this work? Because no matter what your image working space is (e.g., sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, Apple RGB, ColorMatch RGB, etc.), doing this will cause your image data to be encoded in gamma 2.2 before the data gets passed off to the driver. (Adobe RGB has a gamma encoding of 2.2.)
The same workflow will work in Lightroom, too. You just need to check the "Display Profiles" checkbox in Lightroom to access Adobe RGB when selecting a printer profile.
If you are in grayscale mode instead of RGB mode, choose "Gray Gamma 2.2" instead of "Adobe RGB" for the printer profile.
However, the catch is that -- as noted in this thread -- there is currently a glitch, which we (Adobe + Apple + Epson) are investigating. One of the symptoms of that glitch is that the above suggested workflow does not work on Leopard.
> Does this CS4-Apple-Epson issue have anything to do with some users
> reporting dark prints in Photoshop Manage Color - No Color
> Adjustment Epson workflow? -- For example, someone using 1.8 gamma
> Monitor RGB...
Unlikely.

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