Lightroom/photoshop workflow question

I have a scenario that I can't seem to get working the way I want.
Scenario: I edit a file in photoshop with multiple layers (.tiff or .psd). I then add that file to my lightroom catalog and would like to have it automatically updated in lightroom when making changes in photoshop. I know this is possible when using the "Edit in Photoshop" option but I can't seem to get it working when I had the file in photoshop first.
If I import the file into lightroom and then make changes in photoshop the changes are not applied in lightroom. If, in lightroom, I choose "edit in photoshop" then I get a flat image generated from the lightroom file that does not have all my previously created photoshop layers.

If you have an image imported into LR then any changes to that image in, for example, PS will automatically be reflected in LR. Aside from being able to see previews in Library, all your Develop adjustments will still apply to the updated image too.
There are two concepts that need to be understood here. Firstly, LR does not support editing in layers, it was never designed to do this, but neither does it destroy them if they exist. It simply processes whatever Develop adjustments you have to the whole image as if it were flat. Secondly, it is a non-destructive editing platform, which means that all adjustments made in LR stay in LR unless you export the image. Then the adjustments are used to create a new file and, bringing in concept one, this file would not have layers.
So if you Edit In > Photoshop > Edit a copy with Lightroom Adjustments, then you’ll end up losing your layers.
If you can put up with not having your Lightroom adjustments when you need to make pixel-level edits, then simply Edit In > Photoshop > Edit Original. Once you have finished your editing, save and overwrite the file and when you go back to LR, you will automatically have your new pixel-level edits + all your existing LR develop adjustments all in a file that retains its layers
What’s more, there’s no reason why you can’t edit the file outside of LR. Because it’s already linked in the LR catalog, when you next open LR it will recognise that the image has changed and update the preview automatically. Using this method invariably means that some metadata changes. LR does not update externally modified metadata automatically but instead prompts you with an arrow in the top right of the grid and filmstrip previews. Clicking on this give you options on how to manage the metadata conflict.

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ToeTolle wrote:
Is it better to save your files in photoshop cs5 (save for the web and other devices) or Lightroom 4.3. through the export function? Which method would result in better optimized images.
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