Lightroom printing problem

I am encountering an issue while printing from Lightroom ( I recently upgraded from Lightroom 4 to Lightroom 4.4) to an Epson Stylus Pro 3800. Using Epson 13 x 19 paper, and printing an image that should be 11 x 18, the result is a portion of the image, measuring 10" wide x 6 7/8" high, being printed. I have tried this with several images with the same result although the exact dimensions of the printed result vary. It does appear the resulting image, on horizontal image, is the lower left area of the image. On the vertical attempt, it is the upper left portion of the image. Does anyone have an idea?
David

I have been having the same problem with my Epson 3880 with LR 5.3. Some templates seemed to work OK but then inexplicably I'll get only part of the image in portion of the intended printing area. Particularly with larger paper sizes like 17x22", which gets expensive. This happened repeatedly after checking all the dialog boxes and page setup over and over again. When I take the image to PS from LR it will print fine there. But it would be preferable to be able to go to lightroom and use the templates if I could sort it out.
I'm using Mac 10.9.2.

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I am running Lightroom 1.3.1 on a new Mac Pro '08 with a calibrated 23" ADC and an Epson R2400 with the latest driver (6.12).
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Lightroom
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2049/2216911803_6b7126bf3a.jpg
Photoshop
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2217706530_6ee60a2964.jpg

Hi Chris (and everyone else!)
I've been having exactly the same issues running a nearly identical system but on a MacBook Pro with an external Eizo 24" monitor for critical work. My results also mirror yours ie slightly greener and darker prints from LR than PS.
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Cheers for now - got to give my fingers a rest!
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Information and text by Jason Hicking
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Gareth.

Sorry for the delay, I seem to be experiencing delays with this website.
OK here goes:
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My "fix" to print problems in LR (using MS XP)

Having had the same problems printing from LR as many others are complaining about, I thought that I might give my 2 cents to what I did to solve (?) the problem. I have to run with current setting in a while to be convinced that it is not just an intermittent fix though ;-)
My problem when printing from LR was that the print came out much too Cyan-Green and somewhat dark when color management where handled by LR. When the same photo was exported to PS Elements (PSE) in Tiff with the Pro-photo color profile embedded, adjustments from LR, and printed using the same driver setting and color management, the print came out fine.
I must mention that I have had fine printout in previous LR versions but I'm not sure when the problem started. But at least from LR version 1.3, 1.3.1 I have had problems printing a proper print.
As I'm not 100% sure what caused the fix, I don't want to leave much info un-documented, so I start by describing my system etc.:
- Athlon 64 3500+ with 2 GB RAM
- Lacie 119 LCD monitor (calibrated with a ColorVision Spyder 2)
- Epson Stylus Photo 890 printer; an old (6-7 years) 6 color dye-sub printer, but it can still produce very good prints. (It is BTW, the A4 printer version of Epson 1290).
- Microsoft XP service pack 2
- Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 1.3.1.
- Adobe Photoshop Elements 5
- Latest Epson 890 printer drivers ver. 5.21/P (from 2004)
- ICC profiles for various Epson printer paper
- Paper used: Ilford Printasia Photo Glossy Paper (but I have tried Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper as well with same results)
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- In printer driver: "No color management" was selected
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In PSE, I also I tried changing to a different Rendering Intent before changing printer profile, but with no success.
Another thing that helped further was to change Media Type in printer driver from "Premium Glossy Photo Paper" to "Photo Paper".
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BTW, remember that a printer preset also saves the printer driver settings. Forgetting this can easily cause some unexpected results.
The only thing is that, I still do not know what fixed the problem, and I am a bit worried that the problem might come back again. Maybe the print related changes made in PSE and the following selection of the same settings in LR did - somehow - "synchronize" LR to a proper color management. Sounds weird, but if it works...
I hope this long explanation was useful to - at least - some of you, who experience printer problems in LR. LR is a fantastic application, and I enjoy using it, but the printer problems has really been frustrating.
Good luck!
/Per

Little unclear about the border thing- you say it prints with a too wide border, but also say:
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Sorry I'm a bit late to this thread. Erik and Samora, I am glad that you solved the Lightroom / HP B9180 printing problem. Please keep this forum posted about HP followups or any future printing problems you may have.
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Lightroom - Printing 13x19

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In Layout -- set the cell size to 13x19
In Impage Setting -- check zoom to fit
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Claude,
A couple of points:
1. "Adobe" tends not to post to the forums about issues that may well be related to third party products. Instead, they leave it to users and forum hosts (i.e. it's User-to-User forum NOT an Adobe Support forum).
2. During the period that you guys established that a workaround was possible I was in the US on a photo shoot (Grand Teton and Yellowstone NP's). The other hosts may well have been looking into the forum, but they are not all Lightroom savvy, so probably did not realise the significance of your findings. In my case, access to the internet wasn't exactly easy and to be frank I had better things to do than to log on to the U-to-U forums. Likewise, on my return I had much more important matters to deal with than scan the hundreds of dated posts on this and 5 other Adobe forums.
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Hello,
I am having an issue with printing from Lightroom. I have a profile for my printer/driver/inkset that I have used successfully with Photoshop. When I print an image in Lightroom with the "profile manages" using this profile with the same driver, the image is dark. the exact same image exported from Lightroom to Photoshop prints beautifully with the same driver/paper/inkset.
I have double and triple-checked my driver and lightroom print settings but cannot find anything that appears out of whack. I use a saved pre-set to ensure that my printer driver settings are identical each time.
Does anyone have any ideas?
thank you,
George Pappas

Thanks for the additional information, Andre. Your symptions seem to point to the same underlying cause of the problem that I have experienced even though your particulars are different.
I have been quiet on this issue becuase I have been involved in a "deep dive" through the problem with Adobe Technical support and by trying to make sense of the other causes/effects/workarounds found by members of the Lightroom and other forums. For now, I do not have a solution yet, but hope to have more tangible information and a solution to post within a couple of weeks.
I have been through four tech support interactions with Adobe and one from Canon. Unfortunately, these calls were less than satisfactory. While the people on the phone were nice, there very unhelpful and primarily engaged in "pass the buck" behavior by claiming the problem was somewhere else. The last support call with Adobe lasted 40 minutes with a very nice fellow who gave me USELESS feedback and directed me to a knowledgebase article that had nothing to do with my real problem.
Let me be clear, I am a 20+ year software industry veteran and understand the complexities of this stuff. It is obvious that Adobe and Canon cannot put fully qualifed (and expensive) people on the first point-of-contact for support issues. However, they should have a reasonable escalation procedure that routes a problem of appropriate complexity to a highly qualifed person after a reasonable number of support attempts are unsuccessful in solving the issue. So far, this has not happened and is very frustrating to me.
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Sorry for the long-winded message. Unfortunately, this is one of those seemingly simple problems that has a lot of underlying complexity and does not yield a "one size fits all" solution. I will keep this group updated on what I learn as I work with Adobe.
Best,
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After recently migrating from Tiger to Leopard I reinstalled the driver software for my Epson R2400, and have been having CS3 printing problems ever since.
The project I'm doing print work from involves CMYK versions of greyscale photos and a spot color (Pantone 200PC, also tried Trumatch 5-a2).
If I try to print from InDesign, or from Acrobat using an InDesign "press quality" pdf, everything's 'thin'. The greyscale photos are a bit washed out, and the spot color is pink rather than rich red.
If I export a jpg from InDesign and print from Photoshop the quality is acceptable
If I export a jpg from InDesign and print from Lightroom the quality is acceptable
InDesign's color settings are-
RGB: sRGB
CMYK: Sheetfed Coated V2
Can anyone help? Many thanks.

If you have a computer that runs Tiger you should stick with Tiger. CS3 was written under Tiger and seems to work best in Tiger. Use the backup of your system drive you made before upgraded to leopard as you can't go back with an Archive and install. The bells and whistles in Leopard are not worth the stability Tiger offers.

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