Lightroom prints too dark on Epson 7600 after 10.6 update

I've been reading / trying to troubleshoot this all day.
I've completely wiped and re-installed the printer drivers, Lightroom and the profiles.
I've tested printing with CS3 which works just fine, so it's likely not the Epson driver.
When I preview in Lightroom it looks correct, so does Print Preview. However the image coming out of the printer appears much darker with a noticeable color shift. Darks are way darker, light yellows with a hint of red become light yellow with a hint of grey.
I've tried 2.3 and 2.4.
If printing from CS3 works fine, that points to Lightroom as the culprit.
Anyone else having similar issues?

Because the printer still works after upgrading to Snow Leopard. As noted by the output being the same as 10.5 in all applications except Lightroom.
I appreciate the help. But that doesn't stop all signs pointing to Lightroom. Especially when most of the Epson / LR issues are 2-3 years old and I was never afflicted with.
The breakdown:
In 10.5 Lightroom, CS3, etc all printed fine. All results were the same.
In 10.6 CS3, etc still print fine, exactly the same they did in 10.5. There are no issues with the drivers, no hanging, no freezing, nothing bad coming out the printer. Everything coming out of CS3 looks the way it's supposed to and has been setup.
In 10.6 Lightroom all of the sudden does not print normally anymore. In 2.3 nor 2.4 (both released before 10.6).
I fail to see how that doesn't point all fingers at Lightroom. Perhaps they will release 2.5 and all will be well in the world.
I've come to the Adobe board to try and figure out the problem I'm having with this particular Adobe product as troubleshooting has led me here.
I'm perplexed as to how this is even an issue if LR and CS3 are supposed to use the same print routines. They should print exactly the same. If one is messed up the other should be too.

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