Lightroom, PSE5 organizer, Bridge and CS4

I currently use the PSE5 organizer with CS3.
I plan on upgrading to CS4.
My question is can I finally ditch the PSE5 organizer for either the new Bridge with CS4 or Lightroom 2.0?
Bridge with CS3 did not nearly provide enough organizing capabilities nor import PSE5 organizer catalogs. And then the prior version of Lightroom would not always properly import catalogs from PSE5 (which I still find hard to believe).
And the prior version of Lightroom also seemed to have problems importing catalogs. I also did not like that it wrote metadata to JPEG's as soon as you OPENED them. I have not confirmed whether Lightroom 2 corrects this or at least gives you that option. Is it an option now and how does it do importing catalogs from PSE5?
Thanks for any input on these concerns,
BJBBJB

Thanks Jon. Hopefully this is changed in the new version. I know that some very technical users confirmed that although the last version of Lightroom was "non-destructive", it did in fact write some metadata to the JPEG if opened (or I believe elsewhere I read even if just included in the libary, even if not edited. If this is incorrect, please let me know. For example in PSE Organizer, it will only write anything to JPEG's if you invoke the command. Here is what I am talking about from a post about Lightroom: http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/2008/qa-is-lightroom-destructive-to-jpegs/ John Nack discuses a related issue here: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/02/nondestructive.html To that point I would like to have the option of writing JPEG alterations to a sidecar file vs. directly into the JPEG file also. As to the first issue, you have to read down to the quotes to get to the discussion in question. I saw this elsewhere also. The point is, it changes the file date, messes with backups/syncs, etc. <Lightroom DOES actually make changes to your original .jpg file, but those changes Do Not effect the actual image. When you edit a .jpg file in Lightroom, EXIF and IPTC data is written to the .jpg file. (As well as edit meta data if you have that option enabled.) This can be a good thing as key words, copyright data, etc are added, but as a side effect, the file is re-saved and the date & time on the actual .jpg file is changed. This date & time change is annoying to me as I prefer that my original .jpg files not be changed from the date & time the image was captured. The date & time on a RAW file is not changed when I open it in Lightroom, why should Lightroom change this on my .jpg files? I found a workaround, which is to mark all of my original .jpg files as Read Only in the operating system before ever opening them in Lightroom. This works, but I do not feel that this is a very elegant solution, and I now have no way to open an edited .jpg in Camera Raw and retain the edits I made in Lightroom> Thanks, BJBBJB

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