Lion server vs lion desktop

I'm in need of the Profile Manager from Lion Server for administering iPads in our environment.
I understand that to do this really well within the environment, I'll need to be able to have a static IP and I will be able to arrange that.
My question is more about what I may lose on my macbook if I go ahead and bump the OS to Lion Server instead of Desktop. The biggies on my machine for usage are, of course, iTunes, Parallels, logmein, evernote, MS Office, Garage Band, Logic, iMovie, etc.
What negative impacts am I in for if I move to server on this machine?
Alternately, is there any way I can make a true, cheap OTA Profile Manager (a la MDM) on a Lion Desktop or even a windows desktop or server? I can't be spending a lot on this, but I could certainly afford Lion Server (but not a dedicated new machine for it).
Thanks ahead...

You won't lose anything from a desktop or client standpoint - any app you can run in Lion (client) you can run on Lion Server. The major difference is the addition of the server-based apps, some networking tweaks, and a minimal performance hit if you have clients fedeing off your Mac at the same time you're trying to use it (the same issue when running any background task, really).

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I would use Parallels or VMWare and use the second drive to hold the virtual machine. That way the VM only uses the space that it needs and you can still use the remainder of the drive for other things, not to mention that you would not need to reboot to run windows.
Also Time Machine does not back up a boot camp partition.

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I am trying to set up our work Lion Server to use open directory. The DNS settings are fine on the server side but the Mountain Lion clients cannot bind to the server. We are hoping to get a static IP soon so the directors can access the network remotely but I want to get this cracked before I take that step.
The server was set up normally as far as I'm aware (I didn't set it up).
I'm wondering if I upgrade the server to Mountain Lion if that will help, it seems as though open directory is easier to manage wit ML. Would I need to reinstall server and start from scratch?
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After force Quit the option Notes is not marked in the new configured Profile. I check it in a new VM and fresh clean install and have the same problem.
If is it not marked, the Sync not with the Server and save only localy.
Have you check it with an other Mac or Device too?

Is Lion Server just Lion with added server tools ?

From what I am reading, buying Lion Server is just the same as buying Lion..... except you get some additional tools ? I have never had the server version of OS X before... but I always thought that installing the Server version (at least prior to Lion) would not always give you the same experience as purchasing the non-server version....
I only own mac laptops right now, but was thinking seriously about using one for a server..... and for $49 I can get it, install it as a server on one, and non-server on the remainder ?
TJ

Correct.
tj4shee wrote:
Oh...... so if I read this right.... the total cost for setting up a Lion Server is $29 for Lion + $49 for the server tools.... so $88 total....
I didn't catch on to that prior.....

Why I have to buy Lion Server and Lion for $83.98???

I want to upgrade my MAC OS X Server 10.6.8 to Lion Server......
But the App store insists I buy Lion as well... AND it has tried to charge me $83.98 for it.... (The Australian dollar is closely on parity with US dollar)..
So.. I already downloaded Lion.... and installed on my imac.... now I want to upgrade my server.. why do I have to buy lion again??? And why so expensive compared to the rest of the world??
Gaz

For those that don't see the prompt to buy Lion + Lion Server again, there's no need to respond because you aren't having this issue and any obvious input, is just that.. obvious.
For those with this issue, Apple Care won't be able help you because it's a download issue and not an install issue and they suggested to contact the Mac App Store (iTunes Store) support for assistance. Sadly it's e-mail only and probably will take some time. You could try a clean install of SLS to upgrade to LS, but that still might not work. Other than attempting the pain of wasting a day to do a fresh install before the upgrade, I've tried logging out and back in with the Mac Store, created a second admin account and used the same AppleID and both still prompted me to Buy Lion+Lion server again.
For those that haven't clicked on the buy, I still hit an issue that preventing me from downloading the Lion Server after the 4GB Lion image downloaded. You will probably have to request the refund if you attempted this, but guessing you still won't be able to install. Also if you try to upgrade from SLS to just Lion, you will be prompted to buy Lion Server as well. So in the end, it's up to the Mac App Store e-mail to resolve this or perhaps I can attempt to do the clean install.

Lion server, basic questions

HI,
I have three questions :
1. If I install Lion server on my desktop iMac, can I exchange files or document from my Macbook Por from my school. Before I was ablle to do it in ftp, now how is it work ?
2. Is my Time Capsule is sufficient for routeur ? I mean, do I have to put my Time Capsule in bridge position and get a linksys routeur for example for controll the passage to my iMac ?
3. I my network, I have a G4 on OSX 10.4, will it be yet possible to acess to my iMac in server mode for it, and will it be posible to access to the G4 from my iMac on Lion server ?
Thanks,
Claude

Thanks for quick response. Indeed, in hindsight, it appears that they had only installed the Server App, but not the Server Admin tools.
Unfortunately, I am not a system admin, but I played one on TV <grin>
All kidding aside ... I'm willing to learn, but would need most of the basics controlled through the GUI ... and then feel comfortable reading up and editting configuration files and running commands from the Terminal.
On this line, is there good documentation of this, or is this something that you know because you are familiar with Unix? ie something like the alternate port issue ... is this something in the GUI, or something I would have to edit via Terminal?
Just trying to make an informed decision before jumping platforms.
Thanks
David

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Can you keep your old settings and files when installing Lion Server over Lion?

"other things that might go wrong"...is that simply a comment on the history that major upgrades typically do strange things until the bugs are worked out
It was a CYA statement
Oobviously, Lion is not yet available publicly so it isn't possible to tell how soothly the migration procress will go. If it's anything like previous versions it'll work fine for 99% of users and the remaining 1% will be very vocal about how awful it was for them.
Overall, I just didn't want to be in a position where I said "you'll be fine" only to find that something non-CPU related cauces a hiccup.
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I am running the Mac mini with snow leopard server 2.53 ghz 2GB of ram, 2x500GB hard drives, and have followed through the process to install Lion Server. The installation appears to be hung at the Configuring Services section of the setup process. I have left it for a couple of hours and nothing has progressed.
Should I leave it longer, hoping that it will work through the process (if in fact it is working through something)?
How long should this normally take?
As this is my work server, hosting mail, web, FTP, and file sharing, it is rather important to get it up and running as quickly as possible.
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Lion Server Upgraders,
beware and proceed with caution.
Apple web site is naively optimistic on the upgrade process:
"To upgrade your Mac to OS X Lion, you don’t need to drive to a store, bring home a box, and install a bunch of discs. All you do is click the Mac App Store icon, buy Lion for $29.99, and your Mac does the rest. Just make sure you have what you need to download Lion to your Mac."
And then has a 3 step process...
This is completely miss leading.
Read this document first: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/lion_server_upgrading_migrating.pdf
It will make it readily apparent that moving from Snow Leopard Server to Lion is not going to be simple.
Having done this twice now.. I have found that:
1. Open Directory migration is a weak point. Lion & Snow Leopard Open Directory are not compatible, so if you have masters & replica then expect trouble. I have an unresolved issue trying to get a simple Lion Server to Lion Server Open Directory replica up and running. This compatibility seems to also cause migration to fail, as I found that all my local User/Groups transferred ok but non of the /127.0.0.1/LDAPv3 (Open Directory) ones did. This is a very important item, as all the mail accounts in dovecot use LDAP generated UID, so you have to be careful that you do not loose mail accounts.
2. Mail - your mail aliases will not transferred, so you will need to reapply the aliases.
3. Web Server Setup - This broke, under migration as I gather the entire Web serving tree has changed. In particular I had "Snow Leopard" Web Mail (which is based on Squirel) on my "Snow Leopard" Server and this is now dead...
4. Digital Certificates - I found that the valid (ie signed by trusted CA's) did not get migrated, so I had to re-imported my Digital Certificates. If you have paid for third party CA certificates then make sure you have got these copied somewhere, as if you loose them then you will likely need to go to your provider and get a certificate revocation and new certificate, which will cost you money!
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Zebity.

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Hi John, perhaps I did not express myself clearly.
My desktop iMac is set up with multiple desktops (desktop 1 for system stuff, desktop 2 for mail, messages, skype etc, desktop 3 for Safari and desktop 4 for text proessing, VM-Ware and other work).
When I work on that machine I'm logged in as one user and use the three finger swipe left and right or the Cmd-1 thru Cmd-4 keys to switch between those desktops.
I haven't founf how to do that from my a remotely connected MacBook Pro.
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Remote Desktop to manage Lion Server

Happy New Year 2012 !
Can I manage a Lion Server installed on a Mac Mini at home, using Remote Desktop on my Mac Book Pro with OSX 10.6.8 installed?
I don't wish to upgrade to Lion my MacBook at this moment. Too many old apps I still want to use.
Tank you.

Like save said, you don't really need ARD to connect to your server at home.
On The server you can Enable Screen Sharing in system prefrences sharing.
And then your mac book you can connect to it by:
go to the dock
clicking on finder
go to the go menu
click on Network
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I can connect with vpn to my OSX Lion Server from the internet to my home network.
With remote Desktop I can reach only the server itself not my other clients in the network.
With my previous environment based on Snow Leopard server that was no problem.
What could be the problem?

I have an answer, but it has taken a long time to figure it out.
I have a Mac Pro, running behind an Airport Extreme 811N router. I ran OSX Server 10.6x and after I did the upgrade to 7.5.x firmware on my airport the L2PT service died going thru my router. I simply switched to the PPTP VPN because it appeared to work fine. Then I upgraded (or downgraded) to 10.7x Server. When I did that they got rid of PPTP as an option, and my L2PT connections still did not work. I went looking online for answers, and found alot of references to the 7.5.x firmware. I ran a test to see if I could connect to the VPN internal to the LAN - thereby bypassing the router as an issue. It worked flawlessly. It definately had something to do with the way 7.5.x handles a packet.
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Lion Server: iOS 5 clients can't connect to Address Card Server

I have set up shared accounts on the server for Calendar and Address Book (family) sharing. Although I can add and use the Address Book shared account on OS X Lion clients, I can't get this to work on iOS 5 clients (iPhone nor iPad). I keep on getting "CardDAV account verification failed".
Calendar sharing works just fine on both OS X and iOS5 clients
Let me briefly describe my setup and observations:
Server:
Running Lion Server 10.7.2 on Mac Mini (server)
Using SSL connections with keys generated during set-up of the server
Portforwarding in router (ao) for 8008 and 8843 (iCal and Address Book)
Created shared accounts on server for Calendar ("sharedcalendar") and Address Book ("sharedcontacts")
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OS X Client (Calendar)
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Left the server settings untouched (server path, port "auto" and using SSL but not Kerberos)
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Once tested on standalone and got this working I'm now using the Profile Manager to push the definition of the shared account to all clients
Hostname with port 8443 (default)
Left Principal URL blank since it was optional
User "shared calendar" with the appropriate password
Ticked "Use SSL"
OS X client (Address Book)
Created additional CardDAV account in preferences (user "sharedcontacts").
Left the server settings untouched (port 443 using SSL)
iOS 5 client (Address Book)
In the settings add a CardDAV account (server, user "sharedcontacts", password, description).
First error message "Cannot connect Using SSL. Do you want to try setting up the account without SSL?". When I press continue I get the error "CardDAV account verification failed"
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account in Profile Manager). All to no avail, including Profile Manager
Observations:
Lion Server app nicely lists both Calendar and Address Book Server as active (plus Profile Manager, File Server, Web server and Wiki server)
When I access my server home page, Calendar is listed in addition to other services (Mail | Calendar | Change Password | Profile Manager) but not Address Book. Is this normal behaviour? i.e. can't Address Book entries be changed through a web interface?
Address Book on OS X client uses 443 for SSL but does not require me to define port 8443 for secure iCal or Address Book server communications
Lion Server Profile Manager specifies port 8843 as port for SSL communication. I only saw 8443 listed in documentation
The response "can't connect .." or "account verification failed" happens very quick which make me think either the verification doesn't even leave the iPad or there is something wrong in the SSL connection
Since iCal set-up works nicely using the same ports I am puzzled why it doesn't work for Address Book
Your solutions or suggestions how to investigate are most welcome,
Erik

Thanks for joining the discussion.
Although port 8443 is mosten quoted as correct port for CalDAV and CardDAV, port 8843 can be found both on Apple's website and other places:
see Technical Note 1649 to find port 8443 listed for iCal and port 8843 for Address Book
Mac OS X Lion Server for Dummies (sic) lists port 8843 on pages 236 and 238 but port 8443 in many other places
when you want to push iCal and Address Book information with Profile Manager, Profile Manager lists port 8443 for iCal but port 8843 for Address Book as default:
So I hope you understand I'm somewhat puzzled.
I did get the Address Book working for my Lion desktops with the all the necessary certificates as far as I know, just not for the iOS devices (iPhone and IpPad). iCal sharing from Lion Server works fine on both Lion and iOS devices.

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