Loading info pack for hierarchies

I'm trying to load an existing infopackage for a hierarchy and get an erro asking me to select a hierarchy to load. On that screen I see 4 hierarchies listed. Three of these are valid and can be seen under the infoobject is RSA1 the 4th is unknown to me and I acnnot locate it anywhere in the workbench (using the long tech ID).
The problem is that the one I want to load is not visible at all. I searched and see this thread but the issue does not seem related. My files are loading from local flat files.
I'm also using 3.1 and do not see any button to 'Available Hierarchies from OLTP'
Is there a step a need to perform to refresh the list of hierarchies to both remove the obsolete one and see the missing one?

Hi,
Under hierachy selection in the info package, there is one create hierachy structure icon , click on it and enter the name of the hierachy and description and it will take you to hierachy structure , there if it time dependent fill the valid time intervel and save it .
now this will appear in the info package now select it and load data.
Hope this will help.
regards,
rudra.

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