Location of "Startup Manager" icons / symbols ?

Hi,
I have a :
iMac 400 MHz DV (M5521) - PowerMac2,1 (Power PC 750 (G3)
Order No.: M7493LL/A
825-4701-A
EMC: 1821
DHHS: LA
ATI Rage 128VR (2d/3D) AGP 2x (8MB VRAM)
Oct.5, 1999 (Disc Date July 19, 2000)
Firmware: 4.19
MAC OS 10.4.11 & MAC OS 9.2.2 Dual Boot
Were would the icons / symbols of the Startup manager be located ?
As files on the harddisk ?
Or are they part of the Firmware ?

It is possible, but its not like exchanging some PNG/JPG files and you are done : o_O
http://iconfactory.com/home/show/1521

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