Log and transfer question

OK I was wondering if when I import AVCHD from my hard drive if the original files would be damaged at or removed at all. I just had a slight issue, and was wondering if that would be a problem. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!

my apologies. I have a 750 gb. usb harddrive that I use for storage, and a Sony Handycam hdr-cx7. I thought that maybe I could drag all of the contents from my memory stick into a folder and import them as needed using log and transfer. What made me ask the question was basically what is the transfer part. I'm sorry if I'm wasting your time. Anyway, I did that with some test AVCHD video and it came out OK, but tonight when I went to import it again, because I didn't save my work (I was just messing around) it gave me a message that says, ""08:5:29" contains unsupported media or has an invalid directory structure. Please choose a folder whose directory structure matches supported media." This may be my procedure problem, but it is nice to have the storage option. Thanks again.
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