Logc 7.1 drops when triggering MIDI loops?

I have an Akai sampler, and when i trigger loops within logic 7 via midi, at the end of every bar the Logic stops the loop short of the bar?
So if i do a 4 bar loop the re-triggering is fine until it comes around to loop back to the start again?!? where it jumps?
This is fine on my G5 OSX with 4Gb , triggering the loops on ableton or Protools, only with Logic?!
Any ideas?

update:
Apple technician told me the way Logic uses cores changes depending on it's application.... ugh

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Loop drops when connected wireless (NI 9191)

Hi,
I cannot figure out why a NI cDAQ 9191 chassis has connection drops when connected wireless and works
perfectly when connected thru LAN.
I wrote a little test VI to check the connection accuracy. The chassis has a NI 9375 I/O module plugged in.
A Moxa AWK3121 is used as wireles access point. What I do is check 5 digital inputs and control 3 digital outputs.
The outputs are continuously placed on/off at a different rate. I use an event loop and a main loopt that communicates
to the chassis at a loop rate of 10ms.
The chassis, laptop and Moxa A.P. are all close together on my desk. The Wifi signal is excellent.
Now, the code i written is probably not optimal.
But... If I start with connecting the chassis with a LAN cable to my laptop, Wifi Disabled, Linked Local. The communication is perfect.
No drops between the loops and the real time.
No communication errors. Runtime was 52 minutes.
Second test. Connected the chassis to the Moxa A.P. with LAN cable. Laptop connected wireless to the Moxa A.P.
Chassis still in Link Local. Ik can access the chassis in MAX. No problem.
When I run my test, I immediately see loop pauzes. After one minute there can be already a difference of 20 sec.
between calculated looptime and real time. Sometimes the active light on the chassis goes off and on.
When the active light is out, the loop is on hold. (Wich is normal as I assume the DAQ VI's are waiting for response.)
After appr.10 minutes the error -50405 "No Transfer in progress because transfer was aborted by client".
If I look at the timings there is already a difference of more then 5 minutes between the loop timing and the real time.
As last I tested with the chassis and the PC connected wireless to the Moxa A.P.
I did not get the -50405 error, but again loop drops. After 10 minutes there was a shift of 2 minutes.
Has anyone experience with wireless connections with the NI 9191 chassis?
Can I change my code? Did I mis something? (I'm a newbie to Labview)
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Frankie.
Labview 2014 SP1 (32bit) on Windows 7 Enterprise (X64)
Chassis and Moxa all updated to the latest firmware.
Solved!
Go to Solution.
Attachments:
Chassis919Tester.vi ‏51 KB
Symmetrical_Pulse_Generator.vi ‏55 KB

I am not clear on whether you are connecting the two together "in it's own little network" (which implies "router" and not "AP") or if you are connecting to the LAN through the wireless device (in which case it is entirely appropriate to refer to the wireelss device as an "AP"). Your last post about hot spots is what confused me.
But as you said, the biggest worry is the active light. Try using a different router/AP. I've seen routers overheat and reset themselves before due to inadequate heat sinking. i.e., Someone (not me, I swear!) dropped the AP and knocked the heat sink off the chip.
As for the delay, if you are indeed using the Moxa as an AP, are you sure you're connecting to your AP? If you're connected to a hotspot instead, your throughput will be at least halved - and maybe even 1/4 bandwidth if your AP happens to have connected to a different hotspot than you did. If you are using it as a router, try differnt bands or channels to see if you can get around any interference your company wireless network might be generating.
In general, conclude that wireless isn't the best way to connect test devices together.
Bill
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Midi loops when imported into arrange window sound pretty lifeless - please help

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I am currently using Logic pro 9 and when I play the orchestral midi loops in the loop window they sound really lush. When I drag them into the arrnage window they sound really dull. I think I have changed a master setting somewhere along the line but don't know how to restore it.
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I am on Mac OS x 10.6.8
any suggestions welcome
Rhythmseeds

Sorry to say, this isn't a bug — it's a feature!
You've just described exactly how they're supposed to work.
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Hi Eriksimon,
Firstly, thanks for your message.
What I meant by "hi pass mid pass shrinking in" is EXACTLY what you menat, I got a heavy bass and muffed high and mid content. Apologised for my poor English.
I haven't checked the setting of the playback device yet but instead I tested it with some professional produced tracks. I know the sound tends to vary a little bit when playing from computer and CD player such as the CDJ 900 that I am using. The differences were not as significant as my own track. They tend to get a rather good balance. My track is well balanced and mixed (I guess) in Logic but it turns out completely different when using the CD player.
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I am having a problem with my Garageband loops that I can't seem to solve.
Basically the problem is that when I select a midi loop (The green ones?) I get tones instead of the music. If I preview the loop in the loop browser the music plays fine but when I drop the loop into the arrangement area all I get is tones and chimes.
I don't have this problem whatsoever with the audio loops (The blue ones?) They play just fine when previewed in the loop browser as well as in the arrangement area.
I have tried removing and re-installing Garageband, and I have exhaustively searched the web and this forum for a solution to no avail! Any help would be much appreciated!!

the instruments aren't installed, reinstall GB:
http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/GBFAQ.html#reinstallgb
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Right now I can only get audio loops to play for me if I create an "Instrument" track and drop them into there.

is this under sampling ... if you are using it as a sample, it should be in a sample friendly format: the sample should be dropped in and timesliced to your tempo
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Midi loops in browser sound different in arrange window controller messages

I have a problem with controller messages as well with fx
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sounds different, I know of ther is another topic about the FX,
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One of my biggest problems is the way the loops are set up in the new version. Previously, in '11, you would have the "blue" loops that were audio tracks that you could not edit, but you would also have the "green" MIDI loops that you could go in and edit.
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I'm a new user to Logic, and I'm confused about the green (MIDI) loops. When I preview one it sounds one way, but will sound different when I drag it to my arrangement, even when having it create a new track. On many of them it sounds like it's just missing some reverb, but the change is more drastic in others, eg. "Desire A Cellos", where it sounds like the wrong samples have been loaded.
Also I noticed that it loads instruments like "strings" and "piano" where I would expect it to be using the more sophisticated EXS sampler.
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enjakobsen wrote:
Also I noticed that it loads instruments like "strings" and "piano" where I would expect it to be using the more sophisticated EXS sampler.
To answer this question, loops are created to be used with Garageband, so all of the instruments selected will use Garageband instruments.
The other more important question....I DON'T KNOW! Great question, I'm having the same issue with mine. I hope someone can shed some light on this. If you double click the 'strings' instrument in the channelstrip where you have your 'Desire A Cellos' and select the 'Cellos Pizzicato' preset instead of the 'Cellos' preset that is selected, you get much closer. It seems like it has defaulted to the wrong setting. Your right though, there's definitely some verb there too. And also, if you then change your song key, the loop in the arrange window should change with it, but mine is not.
HOWEVER....If you drag a GREEN loop into an audio channel instead of a MIDI channel, it will create an audio file loop (like the blue loops). As far as I can tell, they sound exactly as they should, and they do change keys. Still though, very strange. Perhaps tis a bug??

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Does anyone know if MIDI loops can be manually added to the Loop Browser?

that's as simple as make an apple loop with an audio file.
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