Logic 7.2 and the new MBP or Dual/Quad MacPros

Hello,
I'm at a cross roads at the moment and I'm just wondering if you guys would be able to help me out?
My G5 is kinda noisey, hot, annoyingly overloaded (especially with NI Massive..lol) and its time for a change. I'm toying with the idea of a new MBP or if/when Apple announce new MacPro's next week a MacPro/2.66.
I'm just after some opinions on Logic and MBP's, if its a stable and useable platform to work on? I like the look of the new 2.4ghz MBP's and the possibility of integrating Ableton Live with my DJ setups. But Logic is my "wow" (no offence) and I'm undecided if moving from the G5 1.8DP to the MBP would be a big improvement. I imagine the laptop would be a lot more quieter than the MacPro.
I was thinking of going for the 2.4 15" with the faster 7200.2 HD (i dont mind the 4-6 week wait) and buying a Motu Ultralite and a firewire caddy/hd for a 320gb Seagate.
Then with the MacPro, its going to be really more powerful but then there's no portability.
Hope you guys can help,
Cheers.
Simon
Powermac G5 1.8DP Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Thanks for the link. My G5 resulted in 1504. Did some searching around on that link and sound some very interesting speeds.
Mac Pro [8 Core] - 8688 - http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/7508
Mac Pro [3Ghz] - 5557 - http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/7222
Mac Pro [2.66Ghz] - 4891 - http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/7577
MacBook Pro [2.4Ghz] - 3236 - http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/7534
MacBook Pro [2.2Ghz] - 2991 - http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/7451
Hmmm... MacPro's are a big jump.
Powermac G5 1.8DP Mac OS X (10.4.9)

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Charles Higgins
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