Logic Control Problems

Hi,
Ive been using the Logic control for about a month now and its worked fine, up until last week when it stopped letting me adjust the input volume levels before i record. Actually the whole things been buggy and i even reinstalled osx on my computer to see if that was the problem..
I talked to a guy at mackie and he was no help whatsoever. hopefully one of you guys have had this problem..
thanks

First try checking the control surfaces set up
window, if everything looks norma(i.e. you dont
have two controllers, Logic was adding one to my
setup a few days ago). Then trash
the preferences file in Home>Library>Preferences>
Logic>com.apple.logic.pro.cs. This usually gets
things back to normal.

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A suggestion from the Logic User Group:
http://logic-users.org/forums/LUG/thread/80451
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cheers
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Has anybody got their setup like this? I've been trying to get this to work for the past 6 hours and no luck. Can someone please help me? Just bought Studio 2 days ago and haven't touched it yet cuz I can't get the keyboard to fully work.
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 55
Location: Los Angeles
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: Keystation Pro 88 (or other controller) as the Logic Control
I'm sure some of you already know how to do this. I just figured I'd write this up at some point to share with others. The basic idea is to use the Keystaion Pro 88 (or some other MIDI Controller) as an actual Control Surface, or in this case the Logic Control, to have more freedom with the MIDI Controller, i.e. using the group of 8 faders (on the Keystation) to control Volume for tracks 1-8 in the arrange window, and then hitting Bank Right to automatically control tracks 9-16, and as a result making a universal controller not bound by specific channel messages, or MIDI CC Volume messages etc... in short the essence of any Control Surface.
What I'm describing below is what this app will also do: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/index.php
I basically just wanted to avoid using a separate application all together. Keep in mind that the app does simplify the whole process, but Logic inherently can do pretty much everything the app does.
I recommend reading this in its entirety before attempting.
KeyStation Pro 88 as Logic Control
Part One: Add Logic Control as Control Surface
1. Open Logic.
2. Preferences / Control Surfaces / Setup...
3. New / Install / Select your preferred device (in my case Logic Control
4. Click the icon in the setup window for the Logic Control.
5. On the left hand side under "Logic Control" you should see an "Out Port:" and "Input:" ... select the desired MIDI in/out through which your device is connected.
6. Open Preferences / Control Surfaces / Controller Assignments. Make sure you select the "EXPERT VIEW" check box.
7. You should now see a bunch of different Zones in the Zone column, one of which is "Control Surface: Logic Control"
8. Create your own Zone, KeyStation Pro 88 (or whatever) using the Plus sign in the bottom left corner of the Controller Assignments window.
9. Now basically go through the existing parameters already available in the Logic Control Zones, Select what you want. You can select entire Modes or individual Controls / Parameters. You can select multiple values (only multiple Control / Parameters NOT modes) by selecting and dragging or simply with select and holding command.
10. Command-C the selected Modes and then click back onto you user zone that you created above.
11. Click inside the Mode column (or Control / Parameter column depending upon what you selected and copied from the Logic Control zones).
12. Command-V to paste the Modes into your user Zone.
13. Do this for as many Modes / Controls you want, that your specific MIDI controller interface will be able to handle.
Part Two: Assigning Input Values
1. Open Preferences / Control Surfaces / Controller Assignments
2. Now for each parameter that you copied, you will need to set the input MIDI value from your controller.
3. Click on your User Zone, then Mode, then the first parameter in the 3rd column.
4. You should see a "MIDI Input" option (this should already be set correctly as long as you set it earlier in Step 5 of Part One). If it's not set to the correct MIDI input (which I found to be the case sometimes even after Step 5), then change that here.
5. Next to "Value Change:" you will see a box with MIDI data in it. Delete the existing date by highlight and delete.
6. Activate "Learn Mode" (bottom right corner of Controller Assignments window) then click within the "Value Change" box, then move the corresponding fader, button etc. The "Value Change" should now show the MIDI data value for that fader. Be careful here, there should only be 3 groups of 2 for data here... if you see 2 groups, of 3 groups, of 2 then typically the FIRST group of 3 should be the value you want here. You can always delete the data, and move the fader again to be sure. The reason for the 2 groups of 3 is not in error: some buttons send TWO MIDI values, one on press and one on release. You can use this to your advantage and assign TWO different functions to these buttons, thus the first (press hold) value can do one thing and the second (release) value can do another. You can also change the MIDI controller to only send 1 message on press and nothing on release, or simply make sure that only the on value is present in the "Value Change" box.
7. You'll have to do this for all the different knobs / faders etc. on your MIDI controller. There are many shortcuts of course. You can manually type in the Values if you know them. For the Keystation Pro, M-Audio has an app called Enigma that I recommend for changing controller parameters and much more on the Keystation. You can use this app to assign all the actual control data that each button or fader sends to the sequencer, once you know the values you can convert that data to the MIDI data values and enter them into the Value Change box.
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The file to backup is located here: ~Users/username/Library/Preferences/Logic/com.apple.logic.pro.cs
As a precaution I have always backed up my Logic Preference file WITH this .cs file. Technically it's not necessary... for instance: Let's say you trash your preferences and open Logic to find that the Logic Control is missing from the Control Surfaces Setup. So you add it back and now you find out that Logic is missing the User Zone that you created. If you close Logic and copy the .cs file back to the directory above, then upon reopening Logic you should find your User Zone is in place again. But I've had mixed results with that, so just in case I copy over the preference file with the .cs file as a pair. It seems that the Logic pref file only contains information that the Logic Control is a Control Surface on your system and the .cs file is the preferences for that specific Surface.
Another note: after a recent Logic update, maybe 7.2? ... it was whichever update added support for more Control Surfaces, I can't remember. This update basically erased all the hours of hard work linking the Keystation to Logic as the Logic Control. This only happened with this specific Control Surface update, but not with 7.2.3, probably simply because they didn't make any changes to the .cs pref file.
Anyhow, when this happens again in the future, there seems to be a quick fix. I take NO responsibility for you somehow crashing Logic on a continual basis after applying the fix. Personally I have seen NO issues by doing this at all. I simply copied a version of the .cs file with the new update missing the Keystation Zone, as well as a version of the .cs file WITH the Keystation Zone, to a PC (I think it was a PC, don't believe I tried it with textedit, although should work as well). I opened both of the files in notepad and compared them. I noticed the word Keystation towards the bottom and realized that most all the data (gibberish) was exactly the same up until a point in which the file with the Keystation data had a group that was absent from the new .cs pref file from the new update. So I basically copied the data from the old .cs pref file, pasted it into the new .cs pref file, saved it and open Logic. Logic warned me that a pref file was corrupt or something of that nature, but loaded fine anyway, and the Keystation Zone was back in Controller Assignments.
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The controls on the Keystation have to send SOME form of MIDI control message / data to Logic. Well if the faders on the Keystation are preset to send Ch1-9, Volume 0-127 messages, then when you move a fader on the Keystation (as the Logic Control) since the Keystation is still reaching the sequencer from the MIDI port, you will be sending MIDI values that can effect your current track possibly when you don't want to. The work around for this is to be sure that all the faders / knobs that you want to use as your fake Logic Control are sending useless MIDI data... i.e. CC 75, 76, 77, and so on. This way moving faders won't effect playback, although you could still in theory record this MIDI data into your sequencer. You could however filter this events from entering the sequencer input with a transformer since you know precisely what MIDI CC values you are changing. The easy way to assign these values is to use the program Enigma from M-Audio that I mentioned above.
More discussion specifically related to the Keystation Pro 88:
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[quote]
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Indeed.
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http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/

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[edit]
still doesn't work at all... though I can 'solo' the AUXes... just not select them.
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Message was edited by: mattrixx

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I have a Logic Control and a Logic Control XT. XT on left, channels 1-8. Display on XT lights up, but doesn't recognize tracks (faders and other controls, do however).
"Midi in" on XT causes noise in my monitors (don't tell me it's impossible because midi sends 0 or 1 -- it IS causing interference in my monitors). Can bad midi cables or a bad midi interface cause noise?
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I have a Logic Control and a Logic Control XT. XT on
left, channels 1-8. Display on XT lights up, but
doesn't recognize tracks (faders and other controls,
do however).
So everything works, but you get nothing on the display? When you power it up, do words come up on the display then (like a "Logic Control XT" welcome message?)
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"Midi in" on XT causes noise in my monitors (don't
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it IS causing interference in my monitors). Can bad
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