Logic, Ensemble, and outboard gear

Hi,
I am experiencing a strange problem with Logic Express, my drum machine and some outboard synths. I have searched on here, the LUG, Apple discussions, and even asked at another producers forum, and haven't quite gotten an answer.
The problem goes like so. When I record my parts in from my MIDI synths thru the Ensemble, the recordings come in early by about 1200 samples. Considering that latency is usually the issue, how is this possible?
It is so annoying and discouraging to have to time correct all my parts to get them to loop correctly, that I am nearly in tears over it. Does anyone have any insight at all as to how this can be corrected (and safely? I tried delay recording, but that makes me feel uneasy)??
I read all about plugin delay compensation and have tried all settings possible and tested each one, none helps.
My setup is iMac G5 1.8, Logic Express 7.2.3 on OS X 10.4.9, Jomox xBase09, and and an SE-1x
help, please, as I dont want to think that even Ableton Live is better than Logic with MIDI synths.

Route the aux busses to the other (non 1-2) outputs of your audio interface, which should either be
patched into either channels on your mixing console (so that you can use the mixer's aux sends to address your FX hardware), or
patched directly into the FX hardware's inputs.

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is it possible to enter this ensemble directly into
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Proper routing of outboard gear

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i have an issues with something that seems should be pretty straight forward to me.
I just got a first outboard compressor. I worked for years now ITB using plugs and a few pre amps with my Fireface 800 interface.
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Hi,
Instead of using a buss object (track)
Do the following :
Assign the output of the track to be compressed (mono?) to another output that is not your main 1-2.
Example : MONO audio track.
Route "Kick" track to outboard compressor, and back into Logic.
Assign Kick track main output to output 3 (mono).
Patch your output 3 from your interface to the input of your compressor.
Patch the output of your compressor into Input 3 of your interface.
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Now, play back the kick, and set your compressor the way you like it.
The only issue you will have, is the roundtrip latency.
So, once you have the kick sounding the way you like, you might want to create a new audio track, and record the signal into it, so you can then move it back to where it should be.
"Logic don't do latency compensation for external hardware" and anyone else telling you otherwise is insane.
Cheers

Having logic board and inverter replaced - will post results.

My MBP is afflicted with the CPU whine and the LCD whine, not to mention the "Moo". I solved the Airport not connecting automatically issue on my own.
Talked to Apple about the whines, they wanted me to take it to the local guys, which I was happy to do. I dropped it off this morning, going to pick it up after work.
They are ordering me a replacement logic board, and the inverter (at my request). I will keep my MBP until they come in and then they will swap the new parts in.
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Hi! Can anyone tell me how to fix the delay in sound when using outboard gear insertet on a Logic track??
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regards,
vikas

Hi,
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