Logic presets unavailable

So recently I was at a 1 to 1 appointment and was expeirementing with the strings presets in logic 9 (staccato, vabrato, etc)
But when I went on my own computer the presets were not available or even located in my files or in logic.
I was wondering if that is a preset or sample pack i must purchase or if it is an update to logic.
Ps. I use the version of logic that was available in March of 2012. I have not updated it

Did you download all the additional content via the Logic Pro menu?

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    I'm thinking about buying a Keystation Pro 88 (2nd hand) so I was googling around and found this:
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    I realize now and after performing some more diagnostics last night how to further narrow down my issue.
    First of all, here is my Setup:G5 Quad 2.6ghz (I think), 6G RAM, 3 HD's (one is empty), a 4th external for time machine.
    MOTU 828 MK2 firewire (all 8 analog I/O loaded with something - compressor, filter, EQ, 2 pedals). The firewire had to convert from 400 to 800 at the G5 because they no longer ship with FW400. Midi controller is an Evolution Mk449C (again, I think, I'm away from comp.)
    Here's my issue:
    1) I'll start off with a multi-out Utrabeat or what-have-you.
    2) Then I'll put the Kick, snare and HH, to their own Aux channels, and assign the UB outs accordingly.
    3) Then I'll use the I/O plugin on say the snare, and set the input/output appropriately.
    * Everything works fine - The snare, for example, makes no weird chirping/blipping sounds.
    4) HOWEVER when I add any other track after this, the channel with the I/O goes blippy/chirppy . . . added to this, the timing on the snare goes WAY out of wack. This also occurs when I run the outputs of several channels to an Aux, and set an I/O on that Aux channel. From what I can tell it only happens with Aux channels, and happens with any of the outboard gear I use..
    What I have tried so far:
    - Resetting the MOTU with the FW cable unplug. ( There's a way you can do this.)
    - Moving the logic preferences files to my desktop.
    - Increasing my buffer size to 1024 - this works to get rid of the the bleepy sound, however the time delay on the snare is still totally screwed.
    - I have also tried using a logic preset template, and it still does this. ARghhh!!!!
    * My computer at home is without internet, so I will also try to DL the MOTU updater at work and burn to a disc on the weekend.
    - Anothe odd point is that this has only been happening as of a week or so ago . . .
    Could someone PLEASE help me shed some light on this?
    I am not sure if it's Logic, my MOTU or my comp? I do think it's weird that such a string computer could have this sort of trouble???
    Thank you in advance,

    I should also point out:
    Two things that only serve as small fixes.
    1) I can jack my I/O buffer size to 1024, that gets rid of the sound, but the midi response is terrible afterwards.
    2) I can bounce out the midi as audio however I've just spent $4000 on my new G5 to avoid having to do this. See first post. Apart from this it makes the signal uneditable later on.
    Of course, this has only just started happening these past couple weeks. If I purchase Logic 9, would this fix my problem? Also - I'm not 100% but my suspicion is the problem lies in Logic, not my Motu828. I've reinstalled the MOTU software, and reset the inteface. I suppose I should also point out that working with auc channels like this has always been a huge part of my work flow, so again I find it odd that it's just started to get like this.
    Again, here is the scoop -I'll start with any multi-out pluign (UB, EXS24, etc), and then assign sounds to discrete aux channels. I'll set the input of the aux channels to correspond with the appropriate source.
    Now I'll use an I/O plugin to to get an analog filter (for example), on my snare. EVERYTHING is fine until . . . . I make a new instrument track. The aux channel that the I/O on it sounds like a burst of PCM noise. Very digital, almost like it's been pitched WAY up.
    Guys I'm not trying to be a pain here, that's the last thing I want, but this has been killing me for the past couple of weeks. So could someone PLEASE help me out?
    Thank you!

  • Finding good plugin settings

    After purchasing Logic Pro, I was surprised the setting choices that came with plugins (EQ, Space Designer, etc...) were not very realistic. A Piano in a Space Designer "Piano Concert Hall" sounds more like it's in outer space. The EQ setting for piano also sounds muffled and unrealistic. I've been able to play around with the settings to make them more realistic, but I was wondering if there is a forum somewhere where people post their plugin settings. It would be nice to share in all the hard work it takes to fine-tune these settings.
    Anyone know what I'm talking about?

    We have never sent an email to any of our registered members unless contacted first by the member. No spam here.
    I did take the time to visit the spamgourmet site and have to say it really sounds like a great idea!
    But anyway yes, we welcome all of your Logic presets: plug-ins, channel strips, Environments or song templates... and we already have about 40 of those files posted by members. I'd actually like to hear your enhanced piano sound preset.
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  • The ever popular newbie EQ issue

    Hi all... as an experienced musician who's been dabbling in the DAW world for about a year I thought I'd share my EQ learning experience with my fellow newbies (pros, feel free to laugh! I can take it.)
    Anyway, I spent many months rendering my brilliant noodlings into absolute mud through complete lack of knowledge of what all them knobs and waves meant But now I;m now getting tracks that to my ears (and people other than my mom) sounds pretty good -- sounds the way I want it -- and getting mixes that sound fairly clear, at least not totally chaotic and muddy.
    As Bee Jay pointed out earlier, there is no "right" set of EQ settings that will work for every song (unless you can afford the Awesomizer!). But there's general frequency bands in which instruments (and I'm thinking of basic rock and roll instrumentation, eg Zeppelin, Sabbath, loud English-American blues) live the best, those are the bands where to begin EQing the signal.
    "The Mixing Engineer's Handbook" breaks out this info pretty well, I think. It also includes helpful interviews with a lot of well-known pros, and describes how they build their mixes. The book also describes places to cut and boost for each instrument that tend to have worked in the past -- and explains why those tried and true methods work. it helps one understand why the Logic presets are the way they are. I'll use those bands as a starting point, then tweak from there, depending on the composition.
    As for doing the actual EQing, I can't praise PSP Audio's MasterQ highly enough. It's a parametric EQ with a great interface (knobs for freg/Q/gain) and a nice big graphical display. What I will do, when EQing kick/snare/bass is have each channel's MasterQ instance simultaneously on my screen to ensure they're not crowding each other out. (Also highly recommend PSP's MixPressor and Vintage Warmer, and their Neon Linear Phase EQ!)
    So it's not totally mysterious... you just have to arm yourself with a bit of theory and get a EQ that functions and communicates in a way that's good for you. And futzing around, a lot.

    I find the best tool in this respect is the analyser, plus your ears of course.
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