Logic Pro Based recording studio

Hi all, I am intending on building a smallish recording studio around Logic Pro - I need your experience and expertise!
My imagined setup is based on a hefty Mac Pro, using Apogee Symphony Cards as Audio inputs. I considered using Motu or M-Audio..any thoughts?
My big Questions:
1. Mixing Desk/Control Surface
Firstly do I need a separate Mixing desk? or will a digital control surface do? Can all the audio go straight to the Mac through the interface? or does it need to go through a desk for monitoring etc?
2. Control Surface
I would very much like to find a decent control surface of the digidesign C24/C20 style, but I don't seem to be able to find anything with more than 8 channel strips that says its compatible with Logic Pro - these all seem targeted at the prosumer/home user category of artist - Any thoughts?
Thanks for your help all,
Ed

No software program is truly bug-free. The issue with Logic and the most current OS (10.5.2) is that these bugs are not being addressed... at all. Logic 8 has been around for 8 months or so and so far there have been no major updates to improve stability, core audio issues on the OS, etc.
Basically Logic is $500 because there is no support - you're buying only software.
Avid, Ableton, Cakewalk and the like are primarily software companies and they thrive on constantly updating their apps. Apple Inc, is not a software company. So you proceed at your own risk when it comes to Apple "solutions".
And keep in mind there is no such thing as a "solution"! Only tools, craftsmanship and love of music.
Your other question I believe about an external mixer, there are two simple descriptions: ITB & OTB.
In the box & Out of the box, respectively. Of course these two worlds overlap and arguably, one is not better than the other. I'd suggest looking for those terms on other forums. Tapeop.com, gearslutz.com, soundonsound.com, there are hundreds, I'm sure.
One last thing and it's a bit of a gripe: But Apple has also taken the liberty to arbitrarily remove certain features and/or consolidate features that were special components to Emagic's program... many of these features will be missed, ie, syncing Logic to an external MIDI clock. R.I.P. external MIDI clock...
Have fun.

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PLEASE!!! Read my entire post before commenting. I don't mean to sound rude but I've posted this in several other forums and it's obvious they hadn't read/understood my issue based on the comments they left, ie., suggesting everything I've already tried, saying to contact tech support and even asking what comp and DAW I'm using... I've been dealing with this issue for ~8 months
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I get the results described below whether I'm trying to record at 24 or 16 bit and at either 44.1K or 48K.
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2. Disconnecting the FW cable that goes from the Firepod to the Mac. Turn on the Mac. Turn on both Firepods, master first. Connect the FW cable that goes from the Firepod to the Mac. Launch Logic.
3. Disconnecting the FW cable that goes from the Firepod to the Mac. Turn on the Mac. Launch Logic. Turn on both Firepods, master first. Connect the FW cable that goes from the Firepod to the Mac.
4. Tried every conceivable configuration of Audio Midi Setup.
5. Tried several other FW and USB audio interfaces, obtaining perfect results.
6. Been working with Apple tech support (both hardware and Logic support).
7. I've checked that both Firepods have the same firmware version.
8. Installed a fresh SATA HD with clean installs of both OS10.6.5 and Logic Pro 9.1.3 with fresh custom templates and no 3rd party plugins or loops.
9. Lots of praying, swearing and fits of anger.
Final Comments
First, I think that the chassis FW connectors on the firepods are absolute garbage (read, cheap, cheap, cheap) and are inferior to anything else I have encountered during my troubleshooting process.
Last, I will go ballistic if I hear one more Presonus rep say anything to the effect of, "Huh! Never heard of anyone else experiencing the symptoms you're describing..." Yes, I have spoken adnauseum with Presonus tech support with zero results.
Any guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Hi Pancenter! I'll try to be brief. LOL
I had 4 perfect multi-track sessions and then the gremlin woke up and and cast his spell... Frustrating... The biggest difference I enjoyed using your suggestion was that when I launched Logic, loaded my template, enabled my tracks and hit record, the session started without a hitch. Prior to your suggestion, I would have to futz around with Logic audio prefs, AMS settings, turning the Firepods off/on, quitting/restarting Logic and/or shutting down/restarting my Mac Pro just to get the session to show my enabled tracks had activity. I would not know if the session would have the noise artifacts until playback. I should add that I never had this problem with my PPC G5 nor did I for the first 10 months of use with this Mac Pro. Also, with the help of Apple tech support we had eliminated Logic, 10.6.5 and the Mac Pro (except the FW800 bus) as probable causes. Again each Firepod and Logic work flawlessly when I use one unit not daisy-chained. So, I think there is no problem with the individual units, and, as I said, both units worked fine chained with my PPC Mac Pro.
So, I called Presonus. Again... And I get yet another tech who tells me something different; every time I speak with Presonus I get different suggestions. This guy asked what kind of cable I was using to connect the Firepods to the Mac Pro and I said I'm using a *firewire 9-pin to 6-pin cable*. So has asks well, is it *bilingual*? He said that would def fix my problem. I told him it is advertized as bilingual and that had not fixed the problem; he had no answer for that. Then, I broached the option of adding a firewire 400 card to my Mac Pro. He said I guess you could try that; get one with a TI chipset. That's where I'm at now, deciding which one to get and whether I will need to provide auxiliary power to the card's on-board molex plug.
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Hello
i used to have a Soundcraft 24/8/2 mixboard, a MPC 2000XL, an EMU e6400, a MicroModular, a Nord Lead, three DBX266XL compressors, a TC M-One, a Lexicon MPX100, a Sherman Filterbank ...
i've sold everything except the nordlead and bought a powerbook G4 1.5 ghz with Logic Express 7.
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