Logic Recorded level higher on playback?

Tonight i was using Logic to send a mix to my hardware for mastering and capturing back through the Apogee Ensemble with the soft limit engaged as the final peak limiting to bush up the level a bit and prevent overs. No overs were indicated in the track chanels durind recording. However upon playback of the mastered audio at unity gain in Logic i am getting overs of a few dB. To get the peaks at the right level i had to pull the faders down about 3dB. My question is why is the payback level in Logic Pro 8 louder than indicated when going in.

Hallams wrote:
Tonight i was using Logic to send a mix to my hardware for mastering and capturing back through the Apogee Ensemble with the soft limit engaged
Is that an effect from the Ensemble? Or a Logic plug? If it is from the ensemble, are you sure it gets included in an offline bounce? Maybe you need to bounce realtime?
as the final peak limiting to bush up the level a bit and prevent overs. No overs were indicated in the track chanels durind recording.
But if the Limiter is on the bounce, you should check for overs on the +final output+ , being the total signal AFTER the soft limiter.
However upon playback of the mastered audio at unity gain in Logic i am getting overs of a few dB. To get the peaks at the right level i had to pull the faders down about 3dB. My question is why is the payback level in Logic Pro 8 louder than indicated when going in.
The payback level, LOL... Logic as a revenge-generator...
The levels are indicated correctly in Logic. But if the Soft Limiter that you speak of is applied +after the signal leaves Logic+, you should somehow monitor what leaves the Soft Limiter. But as I do not know the Ensemble, I do not know for sure. However, realtime bouncing instead of offline might be the answer here.
regards, Erik.

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the fader position in logic does nothing to affect the recording level. That is totally dependent on the gain setting on your MOTU. The logic fader merely allows you to adjust the level at which you listen to the material you are recording. If you set the gain correctly on your MOTU then you shouldn't see the logic audio object hit the red unless your logic fader is set higher than 0dB. If your logic fader is at 0, and you still see red, then your gain is set too high. Remember, digital distortion is not like analog distortion. Once you have recorded the signal and you are in playback mode, then things change somewhat. The internal headroom of logic allows individual channels to hit the red without causing audible distortion. You should definitely avoid hitting the red on your audio output objects though.
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[SOLVED] Microphone recording level is too high

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extra/alsa-lib 1.0.28-1 [Installiert]
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Last edited by volatile void (2014-12-31 14:12:49)

TheSaint wrote:
Very different from mine
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Well, I should point out that it's an USB headset with integrated audio controller (was a bit unclear in my first post, sorry). The sound card integrated in the laptop works just fine but the integrated microphone is awful (in a non-ALSA, non-PulseAudio way ) so showing you the output from lspci won't help much I suppose. But at least it has a Mic Boost control.
Maybe it helps if I describe the behavior in the PulseAudio volume control in more detail.
For the integrated sound card, the input level behaves linear (I know it's logarithmic but that's not the point ). At 0 %, it's completely quiet, at 100 %, it's clipping. In between, everything's fine.
For the USB headset, 0 % is completely quiet, 1 % is clipping already, just getting worse until 40 % which is the ALSA base volume. There it's quiet but at least the volume indicator shows something. At 41 %, it's clipping again until 100 % which seems to behave like 40 %.
Now as Skype thinks that 40 % is too quiet it changes the input level (reasonably enough I guess). Too bad that anything BUT 40 % means white noise coming from the microphone...
Disabling PulseAudio is not really an option as Skype doesn't work with anything but PulseAudio. Besides that the problem also occurs with arecord.
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