Logic's presets for compression/space designer, etc.

Hey
Do you guys/gals find the presets worthwhile or do you tend to tailor your compressors/reverbs, etc.?
Most of my vocals feel like they need something to bring them out and I'm wondering what you all tend to do with Logic's effects.
Steve

hi, it's all song/style/situation specific.
especially with comps and eq's.
SD is a great tool, and there are many, many 3rd party IR's to download or buy.
of these i use the knock offs from Lexicon, TC, EMT, etc.
they're more even.
some of the real halls and spaces are a little colored for my present projects.
noisevault and echochamber are good sites for free downloads.
best, DR9.
PS: re vox, if your mic doesn't cut it, you'll waste a lot of time correcting it later.

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http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/2011/02/lecto-au.html

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Dear fellow board members,
after doing several research on this topic and many attempts to match some Impulse Responses I finally have to admit, that a little help or insight would be much appreciated. Most of the (Beamsonic) IRs, especially the Studer and Ampeg IRs, seem to have overlength (≈ 6 sec.) and some do have "silence" at the very beginning (see picture below).
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1. You maybe want to comment on what is considered to be the
"technical right way" to achieve DAW Tape Saturation via IRs, i.e.
what makes sense and what not?
Really, there is no technical right way - all we are doing is altering our recorded audio in a way that we like - it will vary depending on your tools, your tastes, the material, the artistic intent etc...
a - Insert the Convolution Reverb right on the Audio Channel
itself with Pre/Post-Compression/EQing, etc.
I will do this if I want to process an individual channel for colour. Remember to set the effect to 100% wet.
b - Send audio to a Convolution Reverb Bus (and share w/multiple
audio channels), loss of quality, etc?
You're just sending a bunch of channels - in convolution terms, the results as far as I know will be the same if you process 10 channels indivdually and sum them, compared to if you sum the 10 channels then convolute them. Remember, convolution is a static process in most tools, including Space Designer.
How would you judge the value of using "Impulse Responses"
in comparison to "Plug-Ins"?
Well, I don't think anyone's done a tape saturation plugin properly yet. I'm not an expert in this field, but had some interesting discussions with one of the Sonalksis developers over on KVR who is heavily researching into tape saturation (he's doing a doctorate in the subject) and he thinks that it is possible to do a decent tape saturation plugin - not easy by a long stretch, but possible, so I'm sure we will eventually see decent plugs appearing.
Having said that, I'm not actually a huge fan of the tape sound anyway - I like the impulses for that colour if I need it, but I certainly don't run everything through it. I don't really like the smeared transients, at least on my "less natural" pieces. Rock music (as an example) may well work better.
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. Finally: Did anybody experiance differences in quality when
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processing the same IR?
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Of course, different plugs implement things differently, and have different features, but by and large, the convolution engines these things use should be generally the same.
Again, I'm no expert and haven't done exhaustive testing or anything - this info comes from discussions I have and my understanding of these processes from a DSP point of view. Other may well be able to back up or debunk what I've said, so I'll leave the floor to them now...

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gene6,
Here is the way I get the factory presets for Space
Designer.
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knobs and sliders.
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in FInder. I pick Load IR.
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file like "in the shower" inside bathrooms. Then
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can use it), show the user presets and click the "+"
button to add this setting to your list of User
Presets for easy retrieval.
I still don't know if there is a place for tutorials
in this forum, but this works for me.
Hope it helps.
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Hi - I just wish to bring this one back to life:
I was not aware that the Space Designer had maintained the L7 Legacy IR's and I'm keen to get them back too. I have the folder so I can see them all now but...
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How should I structure the user library in order to get the Legacy folder to show in the preset menu? I've tried a couple of options but it's not working.
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Hello All,
This is my first post!!
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Phil T

Thanks for the reply -
My impulses are stored on my local drive 'macintosh hd' - but i don't think this is the problem because when I start a new project, Space Designer works normally. I read somewhere that it could be conflicting with my Airport card - I'm yet to try it out, but will give it a shot in the morning.
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Hi,
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I already tried system maintenance like
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- repairing permissions
- removing the logic preferences file
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- 4 GB DDR SDRAM
- OSX 10.4.11
- Logic Pro 8.0.2 (1502.22)
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OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
Report Version: 4
Command: Logic Pro
Path: /Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro
Parent: WindowServer [78]
Version: 8.0.2 (1502.22)
Build Version: 9
Project Name: Logic
Source Version: 15022200
PID: 374
Thread: 0
Exception: EXCBADACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERNPROTECTIONFAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000014
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2 com.apple.prokit 0x96b52914 -[NSProWindow sendEvent:] + 272
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I use matches and petrol.
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I'm stymied...
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-=iS=-

Works perfectly.
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