Logic Studio vs. Pro Tools?

Hi, I'm new posting in this forum so please bear with me if my questions are simple.
Anyway, I've been a Pro Tools LE (w/ Mbox) user for about 6 years now. I'm satisfied with the software and quality of the recordings, but the problems I've dealt with are endless. Between constant updates from Digidesign, computer errors and too many malfunctions, I've become exhausted with the program.
Anyway, my school store sells Logic Studio for dirt cheap and I'm thinking about making the switch. Before I do this though, any advice, stories, or related experiences would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to make the move if I'm not going to see an overall improvement from Pro Tools.
On a last note, Logic studio does not come with an audio interface, correct? If not, does anyone know if I could use Mbox to sync up with Logic?
Again, any advice on this subject is incredibly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

It really depends on what you are doing. Each program has it's strengths. The "endless updates" from PT are pretty welcome to most users, as Digi stays on the program and gives free CS updates to fix bugs (sometimes before people have even found them) unlike Logic which can go for months on end without an update. The strength of Pro Tools is that you will always see new stuff coming out in the program, as Digidesign does not sell iPhones or computers and concentrates on just Pro Tools.
OTOH, Logic is way ahead of Pro Tools in it's handling of virtual instruments, you will never get PT to handle the load of VIs that Logic can. Whether that's important to you can only be determined by whether you are principally a composer or a person dealing more with audio.
PT8 will address many Midi shortcomings according to the feature list on their site and will close the gap significantly with Logic in some ways, but the program is still not the native powerhouse Logic is. I ran Nuendo on the Mac and it wasn't either. I've done ridiculously intense sessions on Logic 8.02 with my CPU half asleep...it's very, very impressive.
Best is getting something cheap like the MBOX Pro (Firewire) and being able to use both for their strengths. Personally I MUCH prefer dealing with mixing in Pro Tools, but not if a lot of virtual instruments are involved.
TH

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Please read my first paragraph again:
"I gotta RESPECTFULLY take issue with every point you bring up about M-Audio stuff, Zuelito..."
I'm not sure how you can be "slightly put off by the tenor" of my post given everything I said, with the one possible exception being my line about MOTU making crappy hardware - and that was based on personal experience. And while we're talking about the opinions of others, feel free to peruse the Unicornation board - it's full of MOTU users talking about firewire port failures and other hardware issues - so it appears neither of us is alone in our experiences
Seriously, if I was in some way brash or offensive in the way my post came off, I publicly and sincerely apologize. I really try to think about what I say (and how I say it) when posting on the 'net, for this very reason. I thought I simply stated my experience in an informative manner; again, please re-read my post - I hope it comes across as intended.
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Hi,
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I find that Logic is not a substitute for Pro Tools as a post editor DAW. Having been a Logic user since 96' and a ProTools user since 92' , I cannot imagine trying to post something other than music using Logic. Of course, it could be done but, it is a matter of interchange ability and the simple editing found in Pro Tools that is easy for Post applications. Conversely, I would not be tempted to make music in a Pro Tools session,unless it was an all audio scenario without virtual midi plugins.
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