Logic & The New Mac Pros

I know it's early, but is there any news/issues on using the new Mac Pros w/ logic?
- what about using non-universal plugs - will they work too?
- any performance tests related to a G5?
- etc......???

The main problem is that non UB plugs won't work, but I think that most developers are coming to address this, and with arrival of the Mac Pro, their incentive will be even greater. I would love to see some benchmarks, but it seems to me that the only real ones will be with the elusive 7.2.2. I am really loving my MacBook - honestly, I had never expected this much performance from a laptop running Logic, it has really blown me away.
I'm certain that the Mac Pro will be one beast of a desktop, and also quiter that the G5s. Bare in mind though that they are Rev. A., and I would be hugely surprised if they have no problems.
Even still, these machines will really give HD Accel systems a run for their money, and I think we could be about to see a massive change in what people are using for their music production systems. I'm not saying that people will switch from PT systems, but with the reduced price of an MP, that kind of processing power will be available to more people. This kind of release has the potential to give us Mac users that ultimate power experience without forking out for Digi hardware, giving us flexibility on both software and also hardware.
One thing that I really hope will happen is that more and more people will begin to realise that, with more computer power, their dreams are the limit. I am honestly surprised at how few bands use Logic live. For me, it is my instrument. Certainly, one of these days it will probably crash, but I keep my system in good shape, and reckon I have minimised the risk by as much as I can. My MacBook offers me so much more power than my PB used to, and I haven't even started pushing it live. In recording situations, I push it very, very occasionally to the max, and continue to be amazed. All I need now to work out is how to have my sequencer running AND be able to live switch my instruments in the way I do.
To return to the topic, bring it on! One of these beasts is definitely in my sights, but personally I will wait until Rev. B. or until enough people have accepted to guinea pig the system.
Best, Fred
P.S. Counter to my argument, my MB is Rev. A.

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Element 3D is an option, but its reflections can't interact with the comp the E3D object is within, only with the environment map in the plug-in itself, so there are many cases where it's a poor substitute.
My question isn't really how to get ray-tracing to work with the new machines. That would be great, but my sense is the answer there is, it effectively can't.
My question is, given that motion graphics increasingly involve the complex interplay of light, reflection, transparency, and three dimensional objects, and that from here on out Mac Pros will no longer accommodate nvidia cards, and that many creative types will only work on Macs, how long will this state of affairs continue? How long can it continue? Are there any plans to make After Effects fully functional on the new Mac Pros? Ray-tracing has always been balky and wonky and prone to error messages and crashes, but despite all that it's also an indispensible part of After Effects.

A fun update, long after the fact:
So I've learned Cinema 4D in order to reacquire the capability After Effects once offered internally and have succeeded after a fashion. Let's look at the relative ease of the new method versus the old one using a real-world scene from my project: Adding a bus shelter over actors on a bench.
In ray-trace enabled After Effects of old, I could draw simple draw shapes in Illustrator, extrude them into objects, collect them under a null and position it in my scene. Particularly powerfully, I could bend 2D photograph layers into half-domes for a fun roof, and create planes of transparent glass of any thickness I chose with refraction levels that made for interesting visuals as actors moved behind it, and add reflectivity to any layer I chose -- including the dome roof, for instance, which would then pick up the reflections of any other objects in my scene. I could also put 2D layers in front of my bus shelter as easily as placing a layer closer to the camera than the makeshift model. Well, sometimes it didn't work as advertised; sometimes you also had to have the foreground layer above the background one in your comp even when both were 3D and that wasn't supposed to still apply, but at least it was After-Effectsy. The whole thing was After-Effectsy, which of course is good because presumably AE users know AE, but also it was similarly logical.
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How fast is the new Mac Pro 8 core comparred to Mac Pro 4 core?

Hi,
I consider to update my 1.5 year old Mac Pro 2.66 ghz (4 core) to a Mac Pro 8 core. I use this machine as the center in my studio running Logic 8. I use a lot of V.I. and plugs.
Can anyone tell me anything about the gain in performance that is possible upgrading to an 8 core?
Or show me where to find information. MacWorld use to be my resource in that kind of matters, but they never use Logic as a test program.
Thanks in advance!
Stigc56
Musicmind.dk

Glenn,
The new Mac Pro will be faster at everything when compared to your older PowerMac, but I think the first 2 items you list will be more dependent upon drive speed.
1. The FSB and memory are faster in the new Mac Pro, but reading from the CD will only be as fast as the optical drive can handle.
2. How fast the TIFF file is displayed in the Finder may be more dependent upon the read speed of the hard drive than the processing speed required to create the thumbnail view displayed by the Finder.
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I sold my old Mac Pro (first generation) a few months ago in anticipation of the new line-up. In the meantime, I purchased a i7 iMac and 12GB of RAM. This machine is faster than my old Mac for most Aperture operations (except disk-intensive stuff that I only do occasionally).
I am ready to purchase a "real" Mac, but I'm hesitating because the improvements just don't seem that great. I have two questions:
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Ben

Thanks for writing. Please don't mind if I pick apart your statements.
"For an extra $200 the 5870 is a no brainer." I agree on a pure cost basis that it's not a hard decision. But I have a very quiet environment, and I understand this card can make a lot of noise. To pay money, end up with a louder machine, and on top of that realize no significant benefit would be a minor disaster.
So, the more interesting question is: has anyone actually used the 5870 and can compare it to previous cards? A 16-bit 60 megapixel image won't require even .5GB of VRAM if fully tiled into it, for example, so I have no ability, a priori, to prove to myself that it will matter. I guess I'm really hoping for real-world data. Perhaps you speak from this experience, Matthew? (I can't tell.)
Background work and exporting are helpful, but not as critical for my primary daily use. I know the CPU is also used for demosaicing or at least some subset of the render pipeline, because I have two computers that demonstrate vastly different render-from-raw response times with the same graphics card. Indeed, it is this lag that would be the most valuable of all for me to reduce. I want to be able to flip through a large shoot and see each image at 100% as instantaneously as possible. On my 2.8 i7 that process takes about 1 second on average (when Aperture doesn't get confused and mysteriously stop rendering 100% images).
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How can I move my three SATA HDDs to the new Mac Pro without backing up?

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I am doing initial shopping for the new Mac Pro but have come to the frustrating realization that I cannot move my HDDs to the new computer for free. Sure, I can migrate my OS drive to the new one, but my other three disks inside my 2007 Mac Pro are in a pickle. I want an economically viable method of getting those three drives to the new Mac without backing them up, formatting or something like that. Also, I would prefer a transfer method that will rival the speed of it being internal. I don't think USB 3.0 can do this, but Thunderbolt 2 can? Everything I've seen online has been outrageiously expensive or requires me to reformat (RAID).
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Connect three or more HDDs of various capacities to new Mac Pro
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> a 3 TB, a 1.5 TB and a 500 GB.
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The 1.5TB may or may not
The 500GB is likely old, due for retirement if not worse.
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Using the New Mac Pro (can) - AE will not let me use Race Traced 3-D

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> I know (or assume I know) the cause for this is that when I set up this machine, I used Apple's migration assistant to move most of my data over from the previous gen Mac Pro which DID have a CUDA card.
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2GB FIPS USB Drive
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