Logic7.1 with Digital Performer

Anybody using both on the same computer. And is it problem free. That,s Logic7.2 and Digital Performer.

Are you asking about using both at the same time or just having both installed on the same machine?
If it is the former then there are some issues you will run into is if you open a VI on DP Logic will think it found a new midi port and tell you so. You will also have to create an aux track in DP to get the audio in and also use something like soundflower to route the audio.
The other drawback is Logic only uses one processor (or audio stream) when just being used as a live VI host.
Chris

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Syncing Logic with Digital Performer

Hi,
Our current set-up is a G5 PPC running Logic 8, with MIDI sent over LAN to a MacPro running Digital Performer. DP runs a host of virtual instruments (MachFive, EZDrummer etc.) with the audio output routed back to Logic. The question we have is how we can get DP to 'see' the tempo of the Logic project - so as we can run tempo related VI's such as Albino. Currently we still run any VI that follows the projects tempo in Logic - but would ultimately like to have DP running every software instrument.
I imagine that there is a simple MIDI command that we send from Logic to DP that will make DP follow the tempo of the track - I have asked this question on the Digital Performer boards but wanted to ask Logic users what settings I should be using in Logic itself (Midi Beat Clock/SMPTE etc.)
Thanks
Jack

So far, here's what I found.
1.) iPhone is really made pair with one computer only.
2.) It seems to treat an iTunes library (meaning anything in there) as one library and even selectively syncing will erase the parts of the library you don't want to sync.
3.) Best work around seems to be to email yourself the smaller data elements that need to be sync'd to the computer with the complete iTunes library of media. (Export contact cards, backup calendar, export bookmarks... and bring them to the media computer)
4.) Photos from previously sync'd iPhoto library do stay separate and do not get erased when syncing to another computer.
At this point, I'm not sure what happens when I add events and contacts via the iPhone. I would ASSUME that when I go resync to the same computer they'll update eachother... But if I've deleted a few contacts and changed things, I hope it knows to give the iPhone priority...
Any other thoughts on this would be appreciated

Does Apple have any plans on making an Iphone app to control Logic Pro like Motu has done for Digital performer? They make it for free which is a HUGE plus!

i was wondering if Apple has any intentions on making an Iphone/Ipad app to remotely control Logic like Motu has for Digital performer. Motu has it available for free which is a huge plus but Id be willing to pay for one if Apple came out with one of its own.Im a little mift as to why it hasnt been done, Im sure they are capable of it.

I've been using Touch.OSC, from Hexler. It is not created by Apple but works like a charm on Logic. I've been using the app for over a year both on my iPad and my iPhone. Check the app on Hexler @ http://hexler.net/software/touchosc. Another app (which I still haven't tried) is lpTouch. You can get more info at http://www.delora.com/delora_products/lptouch/lptouch.html. Both are sold at App Store for $ 4.99. Yeah, it would be cool if Apple included its own iPad/iPhone app to control LogicPro on a future update... but for the stick price of the apps I've mentioned you might have a good 'bang for the buck".

Transfer Digital Performer files into Logic Express?

I have some old recordings that are on a ADAT tape. A friend of mine said he could transfer them to Digital Performer. Does Logic open DP files?
Paul

Unfortunately, as was pointed out, Logic Express does not open Digital Performer files.
Not does it import OMF files, nor Broadcast Wave files, which means you can't export time-stamped waves from DP and import into LE. If you know someone with Logic Pro, it DOES support Broadcast Wave. This could be one work around.
Otherwise, you'll have two options.
1) Import the ADAT recordings directly into LE using an interface that supports ADAT In (MOTU 828mkII comes to mind). This will only work if you can re-assign the inputs of the interface to be the first 8, since LE only "sees" the first 12. This is one of the major limitations of LE, and why it's not really suited for "pro" work.
2) Import into DP, and then bounce the tracks in DP as separate WAVE of AIFF files, then import them directly into LE in the Audio Window. As long as each file starts (and ends, preferably) at the same time (i.e. as set in the DP bounce), you should have no problem aligning the tracks in LE7.
Number 2 is probably the best solution. Just remember that each of the WAVE files created in DP should begin at the same time (i.e. 0 0 0 0). This will GREATLY simplify the import into LE and make aligning the tracks a painless procedure. You can edit later in LE.
Hope this helps.

Numa Organ and Digital Performer

I just got a Studiologic Numa Organ, and I am very pleased with it.
My Sequencer is Digital Performer 8,1 on Snow Leopard
My Audio to Midi Setup sees the Numa ONLY if I connect it directly through the USB port to The Mac
Audio to Midi Setup will also see my MOTU 128 Express interface also when connected through the USB port however I am unable to connect the Keyboard to the Interface as everything is grayout
If I connect the Numa directly to the USB interface it doesn't appear in Audio to Midi Setup and Digital Performer doesnt Remap the Instruments
The Numa is set as "Local on / MIDI on"
While rcording I can see the various notes in the DP track, nowever when I play back the Numa doesn't make any sounds
Any suggetions?
PS
The MOTU USSSB interface is upgraded to the lateset version

If you're using Apple Loops, they will conform to the project tempo/key.
If you have a vocal track you wish to autotune, use Logic's "Pitch Correction" tool. Make sure to place it in the first available insert in your channel strip.
Cheers.

Digital Performer 4, manual?

Have just installed DP4 'leant' by a friend. After installing OS 10.2 it actually works! It won't on tiger.
Can anyone recommend a good manual to learn to use the software. I am an artist and want to use it for recording words and sounds on several tracks, ie to make sound art. I'm not using it as a musician. I find the interface and myriad options really daunting though. But I want to stick with it as I've been told it's the best all round sound editing software available. And don't suggest I upgrade DP4, because it's not my copy so I can't.

I've got hold of 'Digital Performer 4 Ignite' by Eric Gebbler. Which is great for my purposes for now.
Thanks for your suggestion though!

DIGITAL PERFORMER MOTU 5.13 CRASH

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ARE THERE ANY WORK AROUNDS AND DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS PROBLEM
BY THE WAY MY OLD 828 WORKS FINE FOR PLAYBACK ON ITUNES ... GO FIGURE

Hello Joseph:
Please do NOT post in all capital letters. It is hard to read and amounts to shouting.
The only definitive source for your question would be either the software developer (you apparently have their answer) or a message board if one exists.
If that product is important to you, you have at least two choices. Retreat to OS X 10.5 or buy the upgrade from "Motu."
Barry

Digital Performer 4.61

The only app. I seem to have problems with is MOTU Digital Performer. It loads OK and you can start using it but more often than not it 'unexpectedly quits' I used it on a Dual G4 machine with no problems but it is quite unusable on thie Intel iMac. Can anyone confirm that this is the case or is it just me!!
Cheers
Steve

Cheers Steve.
Can you elaborate a bit about what your version of D.P. is?
Also... what are you using for hardware?
A soundcard? Or do you have a Firewire connection?
I use D.P. 4.61 and I use the MOTU 828 for an interface.
I think I might be able to help you out if I had more information about your particular set up.
Don't hesitate to be detailed.
~TommyHines

Digital Performer 4.61 and MacBook Pro

Digital Performer 4.61 will not open on my MacBook Pro with Digi002R interface.
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Digital Performer or Logic?

We have an old version of Performer (OS9, Pre-Digital Performer). The old Mac died, we'll be getting a new one and need to buy either Digital Performer or Logic Pro/Express(one of them). Does anyone have any comments about the pros / cons comparing these programs? Thanks for helping us upgrade.

Which program you get, may depend on what you need your software to do. I use both programs and like them both for different applications
Audio Recording: Both record audio and do a fine job. Logic is just a bit less of a cpu hog, meaning you may be able to have a couple more tracks in Logic over DP
Virtual Instruments: Logic wins hands down. I don't care for DP's VI's at all and think they are unusable. If you plan on using VI's, Logic has all you might need. If you get DP you will have to spend a few thousand more to get the kind of instruments that come with Logic
Plug-in's: Both have them, Logic has many more and most are real good. DP has a few good ones. Logic has a tons of presets to give you a starting point. DP has a few.
Channel strip settings: Logic has a ton of them. DP has none, nor the ability to save channel strip settings.
Scoring to film. I have never tried it, but I have a couple of friends that write for TV shows and have won awards for their work, and they work in DP. But then there are a few who contribute to this forum and do the same in Logic.
Midi recording and editing: Both do it and have sophisticated midi editing abilities. I prefer DP over Logic for midi editing. For me it is much more intuitive and easier to work with. Even though I prefer Logic's GUI I can build a midi song in DP much faster.
Are you using outboard synths? DP all the way! Logics way of addressing outboard gear in outdated, non intuitive, stupid and a total pain in the butt. Logic won't even fully utilize features of the Mac's Audio Midi setup. DP uses .midnam (midi name) and .midev (midi device) files stored in the Mac's AMS which are also easy to edit, to call up bank and patch names on your synths. In logic you have to manually set it up in the environment (took me about a week) and then save it as a template. if you call up another template then you have to drag the environment from the synth template because logic's environment import function is broken
Midi files. DP all the way. if you plan on importing and exporting standard midi files get DP, Logic's import and export functions for SMF's are very buggy and unreliable. Also when I import SMF into logic I get many inconsistencies, with notes not playing back properly. Exporting midi is a real nightmare. missing notes and quantization problems. DP is rock solid. never a problem importing or exporting, unless of course you import something created in Logic.
Live Performance. DP, hands down. The ability to save set lists is big for me. Logic cannot do it. virtual racks of VI's that all songs in the list work off of, so there is no load time. You can set it to auto play though the list or just call up the next and wait for you to start it.
So what do you need?
If you are a song writer and looking for a great and economical way to get your songs recorded, I think Logic would be best way to go. As a creative tool you can't beat it. It comes with everything you need right out of the box. Plus let's not forget all those great apple loops to get those creative juices flowing. DP will end up costing a lot more to get what comes in Logic
If you strictly do midi production and live performance get DP
If you can afford it, get both
my .02
Don

Switching from Digital Performer 7.24...?

I have been using Digital Performer for 12+ years, but have been thinking about purchasing Logic Pro X for a variety of reasons. I would love to hear from anyone who has done the same. Have you found it easy to learn Logic, and how to use it to do the things you did with DP? Was it worth the $199 to purchase Logic to try it? If you have both DP and Logic, which one do you use the most, and why?
Thanks for any opinions/comments about this.
Michael

I haven't used DP for ages, but what I hear from friends is that there are some key features that are not available in Logic. However, that is true when switching from any app A to app B. You just have to make a pro/con chart and see if there are any deal breakers.
Logic always gets a bad rap for its steep learning curve. The main reason for that is that it has so many features to learn and most importantly, its open object-based structure. In my opinion, this is the most powerful feature from a power-user point of view because you can customize so many things. When you work with with it every day, you really start to appreciate it. For a seasonal user, this might be overkill.
There is one important aspect about learning an app. It is often more difficult to learn a different app, that it is to learn a new app. You have to unlearn concepts and workflows which sometimes appear strange at first. That's why it is very important, for example, not to find where the new Record Button or Play Button is, but discover the many different actions that happen when you press those buttons and where to configure them (and knowing that you can configure them in the first place).
As I mentioned, the different concepts and underlying architecture is the most important thing to wrap your head around it. I wrote a manual in my Graphically Enhanced Manuals (GEM) series, "Logic Pro X - How it Works", that explains those concepts with lots of graphics and diagrams that are not found in any other book or tutorial. I discuss and illustrate the various topics in great details, providing all the various commands for specific actions, not just one, so you can choose which one suits your workflow best.
One more thing ...
You can download GarageBand X for free. It is based on the same code as Logic Pro X (it is actually the new Logic Express). Although, most of the advanced features are not available, you still can get an overall feel for the app: layout, color codes, terminology, etc.
Hope that helps
Edgar Rothermich
http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/
'I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link.'

10.4.9 - Major audio problems with digital audio

I have a Digital XMPCR radio with Edirol MA-20D Digital speakers
I now have major audio problems, the audio is garbled and doesn't sound as strong. Kinda like a FM radio in a car that is loosing signal when you are traveling.
I use this XMPCR for a couple of hours a day and had no problems this morning prior to installing the update.
I have a XMPCR that was modified for Toslink/Digital connection. I connect the XMPCR to my Mac Pro 2.66 with toslink cables and connect my Edirol MA-20D digital speakers with toslink cables. I use Amoeba's "LineIn" for audio pass through.
I thought it might me the FTDIUSBSerialDriver so I reinstalled it, did not fix the problem.
I also have a real bad "buzzing" sound going on in the background. When I quit JXM (the application for changing channels on the XMPCR), the "buzzing" goes away but I have a rapid ticking sound coming out of the speakers until I quit LineIn.
Anyone else have any problems with their digital audio input/outputs?

I dont use the digital XMPCR radio, but I use Digital Performer to record audio and MIDI and I use exclusively the Built-In Audio input and Output and everything is working fine after the 10.4.9 Upgrade.

Digital Performer 5 on an iMac running 10.4.

I upgraded my MacBook Pro last summer. This resulted in me losing the use of a lot of Power PC programs. Digital Performer 5 was one of them. I need it now, and I'm trying to install it on my older iMac running 10.4. Unfortunately, the mac says the disc is blank and opens the blank disc dialog box. I have a disc for Performer 4 as well, so I tried that one. I get the same thing. What can I do to get the computer to recognize the disc for what it is (an installation disc)? Thank you!

It could be that particular disc is marginal in that particular computer. Other discs may be just okay in that computer, and that disc may be just okay in other computers. One solution would be to duplicate it and burn it to a new CD. Select a slow burn speed to get a good burn.
Kappy's post: Duplicate a CD or DVD - http://discussions.apple.com/message/8965494
Another solution might be to put the installer files onto a flash drive, or even create a disc image of the disc onto a flash drive and use that mounted image to install on the computer. What is necessary will depend upon the nature and degree of security the installer uses.
If it absolutely insists upon using it from that disc, you could even try putting the new computer into Target disk mode and borrowing its optical drive. There's also drive sharing but I would have to check if that works with Leopard OS.

GroupingCollection2 with better performance

I created a GroupingCollection2 with better performance (in
comparision with GroupingCollection) by tweaking the
implementation. You can find a sample/swc here
http://flexpearls.blogspot.com/2008/06/groupingcollection-with-some-better.html
If you have some free time please test it and let me know if
you find any bugs !
Of-course if you like the performance and would like to use
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Thanks for your input Grant; it's very helpful
Just to summarize my next steps.
- since a MAC Pro can't handle the new 6G SSDs with SATAIII, I'd have to go with the SSD 3G.
I'll proably get the 115 GB or 240GB model – any thoughts which one I should get
- I'll get an additional hard drive; perhaps: 2.0TB Western Digital 'Caviar BLACK' 7200RPM 6Gb/s HDD 64MB Cache – is this a model you'd recommend
Which one of these should be my boot drive? On the other drive I'll have all my big Photoshop and InDesign job files; applications should be on the boot drive; correct?
- I'll get more RAM. I could return all of my 8 1GB pieces and get 6 x 4GB = 24 GB RAM. Or I can keep 4 of my old and get 4 x 4 GB RAM = 20 GB RAM
I never seen posts were 20 GB RAM was tested. I wonder if it makes a huge difference if I get 20 or 24, since in tests the performance difference between 16 and 24 doesn't seem to be very much. Any thoughts?

Conversion of Digital Performer files to Logic files

What's the way to convert Digital Performer (audio & midi) files to Logic files?

what i do is this:
save as OMF in DP, save as MIDI in DP, sometimes Logic can open the OMF file, it depends on the settings used with DP OMF export. Logic really *****, when it comes to READ OMF files! Some great helper is a software called AVTransfer, that exists for PC. This app converts an OMF file into an OMF(!) file and removes all unnecessary data in the OMF, so every app can open it. This helped me several times.
Another idea is, to put a second of silece on every audio track to position 0 and MERGE all audio tracks, so you get Audio Files that all start at the same position and can be saved as any file format you like. Its faster than you might think: copy this bit of audio to all audio tracks and then select all, MERGE and have a coffee, no need to sit in front of your monitor.
MIDI tracks will have to be exported separatly, bcause they are not saved to an OMF or to audio files.
But you will have to setup your instruments for MIDI playback by hand, maybe save a patch in DP for each software instrument, to load them up in logic again.
Hope that helps.

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