Logical/Business System/Service & Communication Component/Party

Hi All,
What are Logical/Business System or Business Service & Communication Component/Party?
Please explain with differences among them.
Regards,
Aamir

Hi Aamir,
Please search in SCN you will find lot of threads related to your question.
for your reference
What is Business System and what is Business Service - Process Integration - SCN Wiki
SAP PI for Beginners
regards,
Harish

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Difference Inbound Interface at business System Service...

Hello everybody,
if I open a business system service I see tabs:
a) receiver --> inbound interfaces
b) sender --> inbound interfaces
But there a also interfaces I see when I open the INTERFACE DETERMINATION.
My Question:
I configured a INTERFACE DETERMINATION with a INTERFACE,
but I CAN'T see the interface if I got to a) or b) (double click on Business System Service) .
Why? Is there a difference between INTEFACES shown under the Business System Service and INTERFACES shown under the INTERFACE DETERMINATION?
In my opinion the INTERFACE DETERMINATION belongs to a BUSINESS SYSTEM SERVICE and so should be seen under BUSINESS SYSTEM SERVICE.
Thanks in advance
Regards Mario

hi,
this means that while specifying your interface
determination you've choosen ALL interfaces
from all systems (ALL button in the interface det creation)
because you've specified all XI didn't use the one which belongs to your business system that you check in a) and b)
Regards,
michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions">XI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</a>

Business system/service Service without party: info needed

Hi,
I am a newbie in XI world. I have a scenario of interfacing a 3rd party system to R/3 via XI. This system will dump a file to XI which needs to be converted to IDOC for R/3 use and later an outbound interface should send some data in a file format to this 3rd party system.
As per various blogs, I have managed to define business system and basid IR config. Since this a 2 way asyncronous interface, I wanted to know
1> In XI, do I need to create a separate Buss System for 3rd Party sender interface( legacy->XI->R/3)
and a new Buss system for 3rd party Receiver interface.(R/3->Xi>Legacy). However in R/3 should I can create only one and assign the inbound/outbound IDOC partner profiles. ( But do the names of legacy systems in R/3 and XI have to be same)
2> What is the difference between Party and Service without Party( I saw these in ID). Do I need to define party for my interface scenario. If yes, How?
3> For testing, I wanted XI to pick files from my desktop and then post to R/3. As per various sdn threads, I realise, I need to give the IP of my PC and use Service without party. Since I am new in this area, I do not know how to define this serv-without party for my scenario. Any blogs or threads which define this would be very helpful.
Appreciate your help and time.
Helpful answers will be rewarded.
Thanks and regards
Shirin

Hi Shirin,
For 3rd party sysytems u can directly configure in ID under bussiness service
we will choose service without party when we are having A2A communication.
A2A means application to application communication, it is used when two systems in same landscape try to communicate with each other. Systems in same landscape means both the systems are belongs to same organization or a company.
Normally in A2A communication sender and receiver is inside one organization and developer have freedom to define communication rules .
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/66/58934257a5c96ae10000000a155106/content.htm
we will choose service withparty when we are having B2B communication
B2B means Business to Business communication .It is used when there is exchange of information between two different Parties or companies or landscape.
When two applications in different companies communicates with each other we call it B2B Communication.
in case of B2B every party has it own rules which must be followed if we want to communicate between different organization.
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/ca/efb540efe68631e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.That means we use party only when we r using B2B communcation.for example communication of two diffrent organization who r having different landscape.
The matter of Party comes only when there are number of partners included in the environment. Thats usually happens in B2B systems. The services without party usually happens in normal A2A systems; were normal applications handle the message processing between systems and no multiple partners are interested in same data that are been handled.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
Business System : It is registered in SLD,We should have all the technical details to use
it, A business system is something that physicallu exists. generally for R/3 applications
we use this one.
Business Service : When we don't have all the technical details then we use the business
service, it is mostly used for B2B scenarios.
In ID objects tab in Business service is there, there right click and create the new business service, and fill the details like interface,...
BUSINESS SERVICE CREATION STEPS:
You can create the Business Service in ID itself.It is an abstract unit and it will act as Business System while exchanging the messages.In ID goto Service Without Party>Choose Business Service>Right Click and say as New>Give Servie Name as your Naming Conventions and choose u r configuration Scenario to adding the same> click on create>It will create the service and u can edit the service>u can find the tabs Receiver,Sender and etc--> Add ur Inbound/Outbound interfaces and corresponding Communication channels.
Regards,
Vinod.

PI 7.1 third-party business system and software component.

Hi,
I wish to know if it is possible to associate a third-party business system to a software version and therefore to a software component.
This is importnat for me to know it applied to teh PI 7.1. I know that for abap and java this is possible.
Any help will be well appreciated.
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Giovanni

Hi,
go to SLD.......go to Business system......click on new business system to create it.........then select your technical system for third party........then tell the sw component to be linked to the third party business system........then your third party business sytem will be linked to the sw component in PI7.1.
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Rajeev Gupta

Business System with or without Party

Hello,
I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
1.- Somebody can explain me the difference betwen using business system with party or business system without party in the integration directory?
Thanks very much.

>
silvia diego wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
> I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
>
> 'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2008/01/08/troubleshooting--rfc-and-soap-scenarios-updated-on-20042009
>
> 1.- Somebody can explain me the difference betwen using business system with party or business system without party in the integration directory?
>
> Thanks very much.
in you case you dont ahve to use a part. You have different Business services.
Configure you RFC adapters, one for each client.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/configuring-the-sender-rfc-adapter--step-by-step

XI - Error Assigning business system services for A2A configuration

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I am working with the integration scenario plan_driven_procurement_supplierenablement and the integration scenario configurator. Performing the second step - assign services following error occurs:
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Name: Plan_Driven_Procurement_SupplierEnablement
Namespace: http://sap.com/xi/SRM/Basis/Global
Software Component Version: SAP SRM SERVER 5.5
The problem is the connection between the Integration Scenarion Configurator (Integration Directory) and the central SLD which means that the XI is not on the SLD host.
When I try to assign the business systems, which I created in the SLD, I have to assign a service (business system) to every single role. When I am trying to add a line and display the list of permitted values a new box opens in order to select the service.
Selecting the product, i.e. SAP R/3 the pop up with the error appears.
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Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference

Hi Experts,
Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system
(service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software
component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
configuring internal company processes.
Business Systems are Logical Senders or Receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration
Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The Business Systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The Business Systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape
Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in
the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies
involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
configuring cross-company processes.
In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
Business services are used in cross-company processes, for example, if the parties involved have only
published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
Using a Business Service,we can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved
and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
Business service or Business system??
Re: Business Service <--> Business System
Difference between Business service, Business system and Business process
Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
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Parties, Business Systems and Business Services

Hi guys,
I've read a lot about items in subject, but have some doubts about applying them to my scenario. I have to integrate SAP system and web service.
As far as I understand concepts, this is B2B communication, so I have to use parties. To represent SAP system I use Business System, as it's described ins SLD, and for Web service I use Business Service... just as we use business services for web services
--- Am I right here? Will it work ok in reciever determination, agreement?
Thank you.

Hi,
You are doing the usage of business systems and services in proper way.
The scenario will difinately work with combination of business system and service.
It will be fine for all other configurations such as Receiver Determination, Sender/receiver agreements and interface determination etc.
Please see below the importance of Parties, Business Systems and Business Services
A communication party
A communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.
You can assign a communication party one or more services to address it as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
A business service
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Thanks
Swarup

Regarding Business System and Business Service

Hello,
What is the difference between the Business system and Business service. When do we go for what? Which system we will take as business system or business service means either sender system or reciever system.
Give me with simple example... please
Thank you

hi,
What is the difference between the Business system and Business service.?
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business System: BS is a conceptual representation of a logical system, such as a specific client on a SAP server or a 3rd party payroll application.
For defining Business Systems, the four important pieces of data are:
u2022Business System Name (must be unique in the landscape)
u2022Associated Technical system name, and if the Business System will be used with IDoc interfaces, a Logical System Name
u2022The Software Products (and associated SWCVu2019s) that are used by the Business System. The products are brought through from the Technical System definition; but for a particular Technical System, not all products will necessarily be associated with a particular Business System.
u2022The Related Integration Server.
A Business System addresses a business system as a sender or receiver of messages. Unlike an abstract service, a business system represents a specific (application) system in the system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companiesinvolved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used whenconfiguring cross-company processes.
Which system we will take as business system or business service means either sender system or reciever system
Business system and business service can either be a sender or receiver...
business systesm is an application system which is a real system..business service is an abstract entity...we send requests using webservices for them....
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vijaya

Business System for PI to PI Communication

Dear All,
We need to communicate between two PI System and message should be transfer both the side. we don't share PI technical System Details.
1) whether we can create a Business System as a Third Party type with a Generic technical System which is type 3rd party?
we already have a option for Business Service but still want to create a Business System.
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Manikandan

Hi Manikandan,
I understand the flow as: - Sender -> PI_1 -> PI_2 -> Receiver OR
Sender -> PI_2 -> PI_1 -> Receiver.
I think you can configure Direct Communication between PI_1 -> PI_2, SAP help [Link|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi711/helpdata/en/48/ce5bf1a0d7154ee10000000a421937/frameset.htm]. So that, two PI systems use the Web service runtime to communicate with each other directly. Also check, Configuring Business Systems (with Web Service Communication), in above link.
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Raghu_Vamsee

Missing Inbound Interface under Edit Service for Business System

Hello All,
I have to configure a Scenario at Integration Directory. Import from IR already done.
When i try to configure a Service under Party\Service\Business System I am not able to find the special IDoc type (here) PROJECT:PROJECT01 under register card "Receiver" (Inbound Interfaces) for the SLD defined Business System.
How can i add the IDoc type here?
Many thanks in advanced?
Regards,
Jochen

Hi,
please let me explain more in detail. All answer not really facing my problem.
At Integration Directory i want to create a Business System Service for a external incoming connection.
When i try to create under the Scenario e.g. "IS_WBSElements" the Service " BTS_Partner" under \Party\<partern>\Service\Business System\ at Display Service i couldn't find the IDoc Type PROJECT.PROJECT01. This will displayed at Display Services under Point Business System "Receiver" card (Inbound Interfaces"). There is a list of some Inbound Interfaces displayed with column Name, Namespace and Software Component Version.
When try to add a different Business System under Party\Service e.g. BTS_CCM i get much more Inbound Interfaces displayed incl. PROJECT.PROJECT01.
Perhaps there is a relation between Inbound Interface and the Business System?!
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What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?

Hi
Please tell me what is the difference between Business System and Business Service...? In real time at what situation we will use Business System and in what situations we will use Business Service..? Please help me
Best Regards
Ravi Shankar B

HI,
Business system:
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
Business Service:
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Regards,
Sudheer.

Business System and Business Service

Hi,
A lot of confusion in this situation .When we will go for a Business System.. and When we will choose Business Service...we are using some SAP systems only.. even though we are configuring those as a business services...
can any one clarrify some clearly..
Thanks
babu

URL
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/fe/131eb4ef2fb344abf471c9eac0063a/frameset.htm and then navigate back up the tree to the Service heading
I have provided an excerpt from the documentation
Business System
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
Business Service
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.

Technical systems and Business systems in SAP XI

can any one tell me ,breifly explain the diff b/w Technical Systems & Business Systems?
steps to create Techincal system and Business systems?
and also Steps for creating Software Components? For Technical System we can create more than one Business systems ,what it means?can any one explain?

Hi
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in system landscape (a CRM server, for example). Most systems (Web AS ABAP and Web AS Java systems) automatically report information to the SLD about the elements that they contain by using the SLD data supplier programs. You need to manually register the following types of system only:
Standalone Java systems
Third-party systems
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using SAP XI and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The business systems of business partners are not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use services in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a service in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system service).
U can also refer Blog's
Re: Difference betweeen Technical systems and Business systems
For creation of software component see link
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/3172d290-0201-0010-2b80-c59c8292dcc9
Reward point if it help u understand

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Ajay Kumar

XI Business systems

Hi,
can we import XI business systems using import function in SLD
jeff

Hi
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in system landscape (a CRM server, for example). Most systems (Web AS ABAP and Web AS Java systems) automatically report information to the SLD about the elements that they contain by using the SLD data supplier programs. You need to manually register the following types of system only:
Standalone Java systems
Third-party systems
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using SAP XI and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The business systems of business partners are not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use services in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a service in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system service).
U can also refer Blog's
Re: Difference betweeen Technical systems and Business systems
For creation of software component see link
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/3172d290-0201-0010-2b80-c59c8292dcc9
Reward point if it help u understand

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