Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!

Hi all,
I send a file from filesystem to XI which inturn converted to IDOC and posted to SAP system. Filesystem i've added as a business system(which has a logical system in R/3).
now i've added the filesystem as a business service(assinged to a party). So if send the file i'm getting the error as "Unable to convert sender service to an ALE logical system".
How can i resolve this problem?
can we assign the business service a logical system name ?(as business system)
What could be the procedure for processing this kind of b2b scenario where we dont have information about systems or sevices in SLD?
Thanks in advance for your replies........
Santhosh.

Hi just check this Bolg for Help
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions
Ques.3
Or refer to this link
<b>/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
if u want to learn more bout
How to configure Idoc adapters
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d19fe210-0d01-0010-4094-a6fba344e098
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Business Service: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/content.htm
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