Logical system on XI system!

Hi,
if we are implementing IDOC to file scanarios for SAP HR data do we need create Logical system on XI as well?
thx
babu

yes ,interesting.
I have seen tons of posts saying that we need RFC dest on XI(IDOC-File scenario) and come across Bhavesh post explaining RFC dest not needed.So I am just confirming with him.
Another thing may be interesting;I think we don't need to maintain IDOC meta data on XI using IDX2,it might trigger error first time process but not afterwards.
I understood the above from Satish Reddy's post in SDN.
any comments?
thx

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Logical system and business system

Hi experts, please help me with the below questions---
1) What is the diff between logical system and business system?
2)what is the difference between logical system(defined in R/3) and business system (defined in SLD) in idoc to file scenario.
3) Is it require to give the logical system name of the xi server(Which we define in idx1 port) to the 3rd party system(Application system at the FTP side) to carry out file to idoc scerario?

Hi,
Business System :
1. Business systems are logical systems, which function as senders or receivers within XI. Business systems can be SAP systems or third-party systems. Depending on the associated technical system.
2. Business Systems should be mandatory used when dealing with Idoc's and Proxies .
Business Service:
1. Business Service requires manual adding on Inbound and Outbound Interfaces, Business Systems do not.
2. Business Services are maintained across environments and so, their names cannot be changed. Business Systems names can be changed across environments by providing SLD level transport targets.
3.In the Business Services we cannot maintain the Group and Targets in SLD. For Ease in transporting your ID/Configuration objects Groups and Targets are used in SLD for Business Systems.
4.Business Service has no SLD Entries and No Assigned Products and SWCV's
Regards
Sangeetha

Logical Systems vs Cross Systems

Dear all,
I have two physical SAP ERP systems grouped under one logical system.
Now I want to connect to a third SAP ERP system in order to execute Cross System analysis between the systems under the logical system and the new third system.
I understand that I cannot do a Cross System RA on systems of the same logical system so that´s the reason why I need to set up the third system as a single new ERP system.
Anyhow the new ERP system should use the same rule set than the two systems of the logical system.
So I´d just like to set up the new system connector for the GRC 5.3 but I do not want to load the same rules again for the new ERP system, etc.
Is this possible? I tried to create a new logical system containing the new ERP system and regenerate the rules for the logical systems. But after that no simple RA is possible for the new ERP system.
Thanks for any advice and regards,
Markus Richter

Hello Markus,
Yes, you are right that you can not include the third system in the same logical group if you wish to use it for cross-system analysis. If you choose to have this as a stand alone system in RAR then first you will have to upload the rules for this stand alone system in RAR. The rules loaded for logical system will not work for this system as it is not part of the logical system group.
Regards, Varun

XI testing for two SAP R/3 systems with same system id/logical system

Hi
We are currently in the process of upgrading our R/3 4.7 to ECC 6.0 and plan to maintain dual landscape for DEV & QA (4.7 & ECC 6.0) for a period for testing and maintaining existing applications for fixes etc. The second DEV & QA (upgraded to ECC 6.0) are copy of respective systems and these systems are created automatically under technical systems in SLD by auto update (RZ70).
The question is, can we use the same XI system for testing inbound/outbound interfaces for both the systems i.e 4.7 & ECC 6.0 at the same time. I am aware of the fact that XI Technical/Business sytems dependent on unique logical systems, so we cannot create new business system for the upgraded DEV-II ECC 6.0 system.
For your information, we have two slds (one for XID/XIQ and second one for XIP).
What are the options without disturbing & maintaining the current XI system set up?
1) Can we change current Business systems e.g DEV010 to use new technical system i.e DEV-II ECC 6.0 for testing for a period and switch it back to DEV-I 4.7 technical system?
2) or change logitical system name of DEV-II ECC 6.0 and create new business sytem in SLD without interfering the existing setup and modify/create interfaces to use this new business system?
3) Do we need to refresh cache from time to time in XI ?
4) Any other implications
We will be upgrading XI to PI 7.1 after ECC 6. 0 Upgrade.
Any views on this would be highly appreciated.
Regards
Chandu

Hi
Technical System was created in the SLD automatically after RZ70 configuration in the new DEV-II system. We then modified Business System to use the new Technical system and carried out following steps:
1)     Original Idoc metadata was deleted from XID
2)     The port definition was deleted
3)     A new port definition was created for new system
4)     The metadata for each idoc type used was re-created in IDX2 , using METADATA -> CREATE
5)     This brought in all known versions of the idoc segments, including the 7.1 version.
I have already checked the guides suggested for our upgrade and we are thinking of going ahead with fresh installation and migrating the interfaces.
Regards
Chandu

Report issue , logical name of the system has been changed

Hi
Recently our system has been upgraded to ECC5.0. In a particular report while drilling down we get error. The error says the original doc can not be shown as it belongs to logical system ( DRH-123) . Now we know that this logical name of the system was in old box . The new logical name is DRH-100 . We are saying it's a basis issue and the basis team is saying it's FICO issue.Has any body encountered this type of problem. ? In my report i have never mentioned logical name of the system.Hence unable to understand it. But so far what I have understood , that the each box has been partioned and given a system name which is called logical name.Now that logical name they have changed in new box.My initial response was change the logical name but basis says that is a big task and more over it has been a while when they changed it.
Gurus, Kindly shed some light on this mess.
Thanks in advance
Satya

Which report are you pulling out? T-code?
This link has some that may help you:
www.scribd.com/doc/24447/SAP-R3-IDoc-Cookbook-for-EDI-and-Interfaces-by-Axel-Angeli
Do CTRL+F to find Logical Systems
If the link doesnt work use the following keywords and google it, shoose second result: EDI IDOCS interface axel angeli sap
You may also want to get in touch with the person who was involved in developing LS. Talk with your ABAPer, they normally have an idea about these things (well atleast my ABAPer knows!)
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Logical System Conversion after system refresh failed

Hello,
Logical System Conversion after system refresh couldn't complete as the printer was locked. This job was run in the background. In SM37, the job log of RBDLSMAP shows as job finished, but it took only 40 seconds. Now I see that the logical system got changed(Converted) in the client settings scc4 but I know that this client being a production client and would run for couple of hours. Here is the job log information.
02/18/2009 16:09:33 Job started                                                                     00           516          S
02/18/2009 16:09:33 Step 001 started (program RBDLSMAP, variant &0000000000000, user ID ABCD)      00           550          S
02/18/2009 16:09:33 Output device PRN1 is locked in the SAP system                                  PO           349          I
02/18/2009 16:10:19 Job finished                                                                    00           517          S
When try to rerun bdls again, it shows that it is already available and it says "The new logical system name is already assigned to the current client".
Any suggestions on this?
Thanks,
Mahesh

Hi ,
Rerun the BDLS again as this took very little time.
When you try to run again it popsup message saying it already exists just delete that and again put the Logical system name and run it will run that time.
May be while scheduling the job you gave for spool I am not sure why is it looking for Printer which is locked.
Thanks.

What is a R/3 system, logical system, and legacy system...???

Hi,
Please throw some light on...What is a R/3 system, logical system, and legacy system...???

Hi,
R/3 system is a normal SAP system that stores data.
A legacy system is an existing computer system or application program which continues to be used because the user does not want to replace or redesign it.
Logical System:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/c8/5aa2a0deb91548a1842f8485dee4a2/frameset.htm
Technical System:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/24/8fa93e08503614e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
Regards,
Subhasha

Understanding and using Logical Components for Managed System configuration

Experts.....
I am embarking on a fresh installation of SolMan 7 EhP1 SPS25 and after a few bugs along the way, I am finally nearing the end of including the first Managed System. Somewhat related to {forum:id=10293771] I am hoping I can get some advice, but specifically with regards to Logical Components.
General question - I have a slide from SAP that shows a picture from Product->System->Instance->Logical System (client)->Logical Component. I am confused because it shows that Client 100 of a given ABAP system could be assigned to Logical Component A, whereas Client 200 of the same system could be assigned to Logical Component B. This seems wrong to me?
I am at the last step of the managed systems configuration wizard : "create logical components" and only want to ensure that I set things up to hopefully ensure that later usages (Maintenance Optimizer, etc) will handle things correctly!!!
- Our SAP landscape is not very complex
1. only ERP and EP (Dev/Test/Prod).
2. We are utilizing HR Self Service (XSS).
3. The ERP ABAP systems are on Netweaver 7.01.
4. EhP4 has been installed, however we only activated the HCM business functions. Therefore SAP_HR is on 604 whereas SAP_APPL is on 600. I think this might be driving some of the confusion in SMSY
For the DEV ABAP system I am trying to configure:
1. The system is showing up in two products : "SAP ERP" and "SAP ERP Enhancement Package" with the header data for both showing "EHP4 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 / NW7.01" and "SAP ERP 6.0"
2. Under "SAP ERP" the "product instance selection" shows only "SAP NW - Adobe Docu. Service" and "SAP ECC Server" as relevant
3. Under ""SAP ERP Enhancement Package" the "product instance selection" shows only "Human Capital Mgmt" as relevant by default. I manually flagged the development portal system as "relevant" for "SAP XSS (Self Services)"
4. The RCA DBA Cockpit system is complaining "No data available for extractor activation. Please check product mapping and Software Components in SMSY"
5. In the Managed System wizard, there is no logical component for any of the "EHP4 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 / NW7.01" selections
From what I can tell, I think this is correct:
1. Create a Z_EHP4 logical component and assign the DEV/QAS/PRD systems to them
2. Also assign the DEV/QAS/PRD to the existing SAP logical component "SAP ERP ECC SERVER"???
3. For the Solutions, my plan is to create
a. Non-Production ERP : with the dev/test erp/ep systems, but test system as the leading system
b. Production ERP with the prod erp/ep systems only
Thanks for any advice/guidance to help me avoid future problems!!
Edited by: Eric Poellinger on Jun 15, 2011 6:32 PM

General question - I have a slide from SAP that shows a picture from Product->System->Instance->Logical System (client)->Logical Component. I am confused because it shows that Client 100 of a given ABAP system could be assigned to Logical Component A, whereas Client 200 of the same system could be assigned to Logical Component B. This seems wrong to me?
Client 100 could be assigned to any number of logical components, client 200 could be assigned to those same ones or none of them. A logical component is just a grouping of systems used to accomplish some task in SolMan.
For example with ChaRM you could have 2 logical components.
ZCHARM_DEV development (100) -> QA (200) -> prod (300)
ZCHARM_SEC security (900) -> QA (200) -> prod(300)
One is used to show the path for moving development changes to prod, the other for security changes. 200 belongs to both, but 100 only to one.
Set them up in whatever way meets you needs. It looks like for you, you could just use the default one and assign your clients to the various system roles. Not all functionality in SolMan uses the logical components though.

Logical System Name after System Copy

Hello,
I have three questions about the logical system name after system copy.
Q1) When I change SID D22 to S11 during system copy,
do I have to change the logical system name of all clients in the target system? The target system is used for test, and the landscape has S11 and Virtial system. The target system S11 does not communicate with the source system D22.
Q2) If the answer for Q1 is YES, is it correct that the following procedure for changing logical system name?
1.Tr-CD:BD54
Add new logical system name for all clients in the target system.
2.Tr-CD:SCC4
As for all clients, select new logical system name with F4 help.
Q3) If the answer for Q1 is YES, do I have to add new RFC connection entries with SM59 for all clients in the target system?
I refer to the guide "Homogeneous and Heterogeneous
System Copy for SAP Systems Based
on SAP Web Application Server
ABAP 6.40 SR1".
thanks,
Keishi

Hi Keishi,
As a good and ideal practice the answer to your first question Q1 is yes. Infact I would say that in case you are using ALE then it is must
For Q2 there has to be an additional step which is most important one. Running BDLS transaction which would allow you to change logical systems in relevant tables from the one of source system to target system.
For Q3 the answer is agaain yes and you can have two approaches>
1. manually recreate all the RFC destinations after sys. copy.
2. Export all the RFC destination data relevant tables before system copy and then reimport them after sys. copy.
Regards.
Ruchit.

Clarification of the logical structure of sap system & enterprise structure

Dear Sap Gurus,
Kindly help me to clarify the following words.I am grateful for answers.Answers will be rewarded with points.Simple & brief explanatios are highly appreciate.Thank you.
1.FI Enterprise Structure
my answers:Collection of organization units is called fi enterprise structure.
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a.An element in the logical structure of sap system is called organization unit.
3.The Logical Structure Of Sap System=?
Best Regards
priya desai

Hi Priya,
The Enterprise Structure represents the structure of a company according to personnel administrative, time management and payroll perspectives. The company structure describes elements of the company and there dependencies.
The 'Organizational Units' in SAP, are the elements or structures representing the business functions, and are used in reporting. for example, Client (across the various modules), Company Code (FI), Controlling area (CO), Plant (logistics), sales organization (SD), Purchasing organization (MM), Employee Group (HR) etc.
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Logical system names after system copy

Hi!
I installed a new SAP system via System Copy (SAPINST) approach.
As a consequence the old logical system names have been copied.
Question:
What is the appropriate approach (tcode, report) to change the logical system names of each clients of SAP system?
Thank you very much!
regards
Jürgen

Logical System Names
When data is distributed between different systems, each system within a network has to be clearly identifiable. The u201Clogical systemu201D deals with this issue.
A logical system is an application system in which the applications work together on a common data basis. In SAP terms, the logical system is a client.
Since the logical system name is used to identify a system uniquely within the network, two systems cannot have the same name if they are connected to each other as BW systems or as source systems, or if there are plans to connect them in any way.
Although SAP does not recommend that you connect test systems to production systems, a test system can have the same name as a production system. This makes copying production systems to test systems a lot simpler.
You are only allowed to change the logical system name of a system if the system is not connected to any other systems, because changing the logical system name would render all the connections to other systems useless.
In BW, you make the settings for the logical system names in the BW Customizing Implementation Guide under Business Information Warehouse ® Connections to other Systems ® General Connection Settings. In the source system, you make the settings for the logical system in the Implementation Guide under Cross Application Components ® Distribution (ALE) ® Basic Settings.
Note SR047 lists names that cannot be given to BW systems, because they are reserved for internal use.
Logical system names must contain capital letters and numbers only. SAP recommends the following naming convention for logical system names: .

Technical systems and Business systems in SAP XI

can any one tell me ,breifly explain the diff b/w <b>Technical Systems</b> & Business Systems?
steps to create Techincal system and Business systems?
and also Steps for creating Software Components? For Technical System we can create more than one Business systems ,what it means?can any one explain?

Hi
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in system landscape (a CRM server, for example). Most systems (Web AS ABAP and Web AS Java systems) automatically report information to the SLD about the elements that they contain by using the SLD data supplier programs. You need to manually register the following types of system only:
Standalone Java systems
Third-party systems
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using SAP XI and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The business systems of business partners are not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use services in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a service in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system service).
U can also refer Blog's
Re: Difference betweeen Technical systems and Business systems
For creation of software component see link
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/3172d290-0201-0010-2b80-c59c8292dcc9
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Changing the data in DataSource in R/3 System for Project System

Can we change the data of DataSource which is extracted from R/3 sYSTEM for Project System Module?

Hello Rajesh,
You can modify it in PSA. Or write the routines or rules logic as per your requirement.
Could you please elaborate more on what kind of changes you are interested for.
San.

Difference betweeen Technical systems and Business systems

Hi
In a SLD we need to configure technical systems and Business systems.. what is the exact difference between Technical Systems and Business Systems..
this question is asked an interview.. for this.. how can we explain..
thanks
babu

Hi babu
First I let u know with analogy and actual definition as below
Any module of SAP like MM, SRM, FICO ets makes a logical system in combination according to business requirements is a business system which is actualy hosted on an application server like ABAP AS or Java AS which is basically a technical system.
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in system landscape (a CRM server, for example). Most systems (Web AS ABAP and Web AS Java systems) automatically report information to the SLD about the elements that they contain by using the SLD data supplier programs. You need to manually register the following types of system only:
Standalone Java systems
Third-party systems
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using SAP XI and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The business systems of business partners are not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use services in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a service in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system service).
Reward point if it help u understand

Technical Systems and Business Systems

Hello Everybody!!!
I have some doubts, can you help me, please???
1) Technical Systems are application(software) systems, ok? They aren't hardware systems, ok?
2) In my SLD I should have a SAP ECC system as a technical system and each of their clients as a bussiness system, ok?
3) For third-party systems, where the client concept doesn't exist, I should have one technical system and only one business system for my third-party system, ok?
thanks a lot
Julio

hi julio ,
           ur view is correct except in the technical system .
1)   technical systems are the physically located systems in which we can create only technical system for any physically located system .
2)   bussiness systems are logical systems . according to the type of technical system we can create the no of bussiness systems .
   technical system of type W AS ABAP we can create multiple business systems as there is the concept of clients .
   technical system of   third party   we can not create more than one business system as there is no matter of client .
3)   so for every third party systems only one   business system will be there .
some important points :.
    atleast one   business system will be there on   any   system .
we can   create   more than one   business   system on third party systems .

Business System and Technical System ??

Hi Experts,
Please tell, What is the Technical System and Business System. How many Technical and Busniess Systems do we have in XI ?
Early responses are welcome.

Hi,
Business systems:
Business systems are logical systems, which function as senders or receivers within PI. Business systems can be SAP systems or third-party systems.
Depending on the associated technical system, the following types of business systems are defined in the SLD:
Web AS ABAP:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP.
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP, can play the role either of an application system or an integration server. An integration server is the central component of PI, which provides a framework for the exchange of information among various internal and external entities of a company. The integration server facilitates the interaction between the different operating systems and applications across internal and external networks.
Web AS Java:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS Java.
Standalone:
A business system, which is associated with a standalone Java application.
Third-party:
A business system, which is associated with a third-party technical system.
Technical systems:
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in your system landscape. An example of an application system is a Customer Relationship Management (CRM) server. In the SLD, there are five types of technical systems:
Web AS ABAP:
Web AS ABAP technical systems, ranging from any SAP system to an APO server or CRM server, are based on the same Basis Component (BC), which includes the ABAP interpreter, ABAP Dictionary, ABAP Workbench, and so on. A dedicated database, which stores most of the data of the BC and the application components, is associated with the system.
Web AS Java:
Web AS Java systems consist of one or more instances and each instance is installed on a separate host. An instance itself consists of cluster nodes that can communicate with each other.
Standalone Java:
Standalone Java technical systems are standalone Java applications that are installed in a computer system from an administration perspective. They can also be installed as an operating system service or as a daemon.
Third-Party:
Third-party technical systems contain third-party software components and products.
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