Long term viability of DNG

I'm not sure if anyone can really answer this but if folks feel like giving their $.02 about this subject, I'd appreciate it.
I'm a new LightRoom user and based on my earlier threads a few weeks back, I started using DNG as part of my workflow as opposed to just importing RAW files. Based on various threads/posts in some photography forums, like dpreview, I'm not wondering about dng. People have panned it and even went so far as dismiss the long term usage of it, likening it to the jpg2000 format that withered and died.
Since I cannot go back to my NEF files once converted to DNG, I'm wondering if folks would like to chime in on this, i.e., do you use DNG, are you worried about adobe not happy with the adoption and possibly dropping it sometime in the future or are those concerns baseless?
Thanks for any and all posts
Mike

I had this same question, although I approached it more like: what's more likely to still be around 10 years from now: support for .NEFs or .DNGs?
Remember, .NEF is not really a single format, but a format tied to a specific model of each camera. So it's not a question of whether .NEF support will be around, but D80 .NEF support, D90 .NEF support. D3 .NEF support, etc.
Imagine the state of software 10 years from now...what are the odds that Windows / Mac / Photoshop (or any other software) is going to support a RAW image format from 10 years prior? Is Adobe going to test every function of its software with every .NEF format Nikon ever created, or at some point are they going to start dropping support for older (read: obsolete) formats?
On the other hand, .DNG is a single format regardless of camera make or model (and although there are versions of DNG, they are backward compatible). Also, Adobe has a lot of time, money, and pride invested in the DNG format, and I think they are in it for the long haul, if for no other reason than a self-serving one: if you were an Adobe product manager, would you rather support 1 DNG format, or 50 .NEF formats, 50 .CR2 formats, etc.
So at the end of the day, I thought: if it's 2019 and I'm buying new software, is going to be more likely to support my 10-year-old D80 .NEF format, or is going to support the .DNG format that Adobe is still supporting?
I decided to put my eggs in the Adobe basket. I'm already somewhat tied to them with Lightroom and Photoshop. But as a safety net, I *do* back up all .NEF images upon import, and I do export every finished image to .JPG.
Other than having a crystal ball, I figured that's about the best I could do.

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