Long term video storage on flash drive camcorders?
I love the new iMovie '08... I'm a professional video editor, and for "real" editing it is fairly useless, but as a quick and easy way to take my home movies, throw them together incredibly quickly, and post them on the web, it's sheer brilliance. I especially love the ability to load in clips from a camcorder the way you'd do still footage in iPhoto...
But before I buy a flash or hdd based camcorder, anyone have suggestions for long term storage? Let's say my grandkids will want to watch the footage 50 years from now, like I watch my grandparent's old 8mm filmstrips.
Is importing every single frame and storing them on a hard drive really the only way to do it? Or are there better options? (And before you suggest burning to a DVD, I consider that temporary storage, with a shelf life of 10 years if you're lucky.)
Any ideas?
I'm with Kirk's strategy...
magnetic tape has a >70y track record.. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reel-to-reelaudio_taperecording .. gosh, a German invention...) you have some options to break it (put tapes on speakers, CRTs, .... ), but usually, it is a very reliable media.
dvds...
some of my first homebrewn disks are.. +digital nirvana+ ... just simple bright sunlight 'burned' them .. first commercial CDs could get rosty...
just to mention that: commercial disks are 'mechanical' done, glas master + 'pits' pressed in the dye.. homebrewn stuff is 'changing the polarized reflection behavior of laser light'... (does this work anyhow )
latest news from here: in some German boards, people complain commercial disks 'get purple' ... the 'plastics' of the disks degrades somehow, changes the color = disk unreadable...
on boards with a less technical attitude, it is discussed, that we live in the 'lost area'... in a few 100 years, there'll be no documents of daily life, no 'manuscripts' of authors.. (e.g. Stephen King can read his first novels only in Print.. his 'original' floppies, including the process of writing, are 'useless' ..), ... any chemical film, older books (newer paper, ≤150y, degrades due to changed manufacturing ..) are readable..
Ken Burns would have trouble to produce a 'The War, pt. II' in 2200 ...
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What is the best media for long-term video storage?
I will be loading several MiniDV tapes into my Mac and want to store the video long-term (in a safe-deposit box). These are going to be home movies with some digital photos or scans as well.
I am curious what folks believe is the best medium for this. I am considering a Passport-style HD like those from LaCie, Western Digital and others. Has anyone had good luck with these? Or am I on the wrong track?
Thank you in advance for your opinions,
jfI considered getting one of the DVD recorder products from Sony (they say you can plug right into the camera, hit a button and get a DVD copy of the footage in real time)
You understand that a DVD recorder will convert and seriously compress the material in the transcode from DV to mpeg2?
DVDs like this are not a storage system if you are looking to keep original material in a) as close to original quality as possible and b) in an editable format.
40 1 hour DV tapes is just over 500 GB when captured. Get 2 1 TB drives and make two copies of the material. Use one for editing on-line and put the other on a shelf (not in your house). Just be sure to get it back and spin it up every month or so.
The tapes need to be seriously secured. If the safety deposit box is too small, look into a fireproof home vault. 40 tapes do not take up that much space. Just store it in a cool and not humid location.
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I know most would have thought about this subject but what are people using for long term image storage. I am getting toward 35gigs of images and for a long time used an external Firewire Mirror RAID to ensure I do not put my images at risk.
But this is not enough anymore!
1. It's still a single file system that can be damaged by any rouge app or action, as all actions are duplicated onto all the disk in the RAID set.
2. (1) Does not solve the problem is being able to store a duplicate in a fire/water/offsite location.
3. HDs fail and the RAID goes someway to solve this, but it's intensely stressful when a disk fails.
4. Running periodical backups is very painful when dealing with such a large number of images.
I am not a Pro and I am in a family environment but we list to use Aperture as it offers more than iPhoto. But the problem of long term image storage must be an issue what every the application being used.
I am looking forward to see what TimeMachine will do for me in OS 10.5, but this does not solve (2)
I have looked at the iomega Rev drive as a possible solution, with 35gb or 70gb per cartidge, and more importantly, 30 years expected data life. The price is a little expensive but I cannot find an alternative for image vaults
I have a minor problem with iomega in the long term (>15 years) viability of the company, they seem to have just ventured into the online email security for new revenue, which suggests to me they are are not able to improve their positon on storage media.
I have tried giving writing DVD-DL a go but that is just unworkable for me, also I cannot get anyone to commit to how long the data will be readable.I use a combination based on a couple important principals. The first is "you can't backup enough". Second principal is "nothing is reliable". Third is "you will screw it up". You being the person trying to back things up. The final one is "things will go bad just when you thought everything was perfect".
The basic gist is backing up needs to be reliable, mostly automatic, redundant, and across varied media.
I have 40K RAW images in my library. There are five copies of every RAW file I've ever taken spread across three different hard drive volumes and CD/DVD's. There are three copies of every .psd file spread across two different hard drive volumes and CD/DVD's. My two RAID 0 volumes are connected all the time and backed up every night. My RAID 5 volume is only connected when I do a backup on that which is about once a week. The CD/DVD's are made every month on everything that's new.
I have over 100 CD/DVD's and am considering remaking those read only products using the latest equipment I have. I'm seriously considering loading my entire RAW library onto a site like Smugmug in jpeg form. That would give me a worse case scenario loss recovery capability.
In the mean time, my CD/DVD's are store off site at a friends house.
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I have a MacBook Air and I need to free up space...
1) I have three series of a tv show on my itunes which are taking up loads of memory - see image - I want to move these movie files onto a Flash Drive. However I do not want to move my itunes Music onto the flash drive, only my Movies, and want to keep my music on my hard drive.
Is this possible?
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Best,
Eloise15.1) However I do not want to move my itunes Music onto the flash drive, only my Movies, and want to keep my music on my hard drive.
Is this possible?
Yes
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If you want to set all .m4v files to open with Quicktime by just double clicking on the file, you can follow the steps here: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2573/os_x_how_to_change_default_application_to_op en_file_type/
3) If 1. & 2. questions are solvable, will it then be safe to delete the movies from my itunes?
You can move the TV shows to your flash drive by dragging them from the iTunes window to your flash drive in Finder or the flash drive icon on the desktop. When you are sure everything is transferred over to your external device, you can delete the movie from iTunes. I recommend playing the videos from the flash drive first before deleting them in iTunes.
To delete the videos from iTunes, you can highlight them and press the delete key on your keyboard. In the next prompt, you would want to move it to the trash so that it is deleted from your internal hard drive.
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[SOLVED]USB flash drive no longer showing up in /dev
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[731969.826862] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 5 using ehci_hcd
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Last edited by nadman10 (2012-09-26 22:12:22)ls -l outputs:
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0781:5530 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
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idProduct 0x5530 Cruzer
bcdDevice 1.00
iManufacturer 1
iProduct 2
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Configuration Descriptor:
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bDescriptorType 2
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(Bus Powered)
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Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical
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Device Descriptor:
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Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
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iManufacturer 3
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Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
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