Looking for RGB to CMYK plug-in

I have PS Elements ver.4, a 17" LCD monitor, and HP Photosmart 7960 for printing. I have tried and tried to calibrate my monitor using the Adobe Gamma utility that comes with Windows XP, but the output from my printer continues to be sometimes much more saturated and darker and sometimes much less saturated and lighter than the image on my screen. All of my images are TIFF images. Does anyone know if there is a plug-in for PS Elements to convert the RGB data to CMYK data before the image is sent to the printer? I believe the the current version of Adobe Photoshop has this functionality built in...but I am totally happy with Elements in every other respect (except I miss the old ver. 2 and 3 browser).

Quote from PSE 4.0 help files:
You can use the Adobe Gamma software (installed with Photoshop Elements)
to create a monitor profile. If you are unfamiliar with monitor
calibration, use the Adobe Gamma wizard to create a profile.
Note: Skip this calibration procedure if you are using an LCD screen.
LCD monitors (such as flat-screen and laptop computer monitors) do not
calibrate easily because viewing angles can change colors significantly.
Instead, use the manufacturer-provided profile. (See the documentation
that came with your monitor for information.)
Maurice

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I am new to Illustrator (CS5) and not fully comfortable with RGB vs CMYK. For instance, I created a logo for use on the web using Document Color Mode: RGB where my background color in RGB is 0, 0, 130. When I create a Print document using Document Color Mode: CMYK and copy the logo into the print document, it converts that background color to CMYK (C:100, M:98, Y:16 K:18) where the RGB is now (44, 45, 111).
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