Looking to upgrade to Leopard from Panther; any thoughts?
Hello to all, this is my second post, so please bear with me if it sounds silly:
I have a late 2004 iMac Power PCG5, 20inch display, 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM, running Panther 10.3.9.
I am looking to possibly buy a few iPhones for the wife and I and I know that system requirements are 10.4.1 or higher. Since I cannot get Tiger anymore, I need to buy Leopard.
My computer runs smoothly, no problems, I have always kept up on software updates. Heck, we have only used like 30GB of the 160GB hard drive!
My question(s)- has anyone experienced any problems doing this kind of jump from Panther to Leopard? Known issues? I really appreciate any and all input.... I would rather not have to buy a new computer just to simply get Leopard 10.5.
I just would like to hear some reassurances or downsides before I spend $129 for Leopard.
Thanks in advance,
Drumfreak 68
2nd post for me as well.I just installed leopard on my imac.I had the same type of concerns as you.My wife is a part time college teacher,very important I have no issues with upgrading OS. I spent 6 months reading these forums.I've learned so much.
I upgraded to Leopard from tiger in the following manner.Every thing I did I read on these forums.
I purchased 2 external hd. The first is a 1 TB with the plan to use as a time machine disk after transition.The 2nd was a 320g that I partioned in half.I cloned my internal hd to both external hds,using superduper {fantastic program for 27$] I installed Leopard on the 2nd partition of the 320 gig hd.I booted from and ran computer from both external tiger volumnes for about a week.I booted the computer from the Leopard partition of the 320 Ex. Hd.I ran the computer from the leopard partition for the same time frame.I ran every app, that I could think of that my family uses . I had no issues at all.When I was happy with everything,I then used superduper to clone my external leopard to my internal.I will keep my tiger clone until i am confident that I have all the files moved.
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210855.717008 Loading hardware rules from hardwarerulesH264-G5.plist
210855.717720 Checking H264 hardware rules
210855.717841 Satisfied rule #2 (30:320x240)
210855.718238 setLocalUserName: Thomas [email protected]
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210855.740204 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_IDLE, from: VC_INIT
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210855.740609 UPnP init passed
210855.740804 NATTraversal created
210855.741021 QT automatic setting = 1
210855.741048 Bandwidth based on QT prefs = 0
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210855.747618 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210855.747632 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210855.747643 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210855.747719 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210855.747733 VCCapAudio
210855.747742 VCCapVideo
210855.747755 VCCapMultiAudio
210855.747764 VCCapMultiVideo
210855.747773 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210855.747782 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210855.799386 Found 1 cameras:
210855.799499 - 2857630787837915
210855.800810 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.841513 Microphone devices:
210855.852676 iSight Built-in
210855.853363 Line In
210855.853460 Digital In
210855.853566 Selected mic: iSight
210855.853812 Found 1 cameras:
210855.853895 - 2857630787837915
210855.853981 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.855393 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.857630 Microphone devices:
210855.857810 iSight Built-in
210855.858119 Line In
210855.858188 Digital In
210855.858273 Selected mic: iSight
210855.858585 Found 1 cameras:
210855.858671 - 2857630787837915
210855.858735 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.861493 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.869303 Microphone devices:
210855.869815 iSight Built-in
210855.870293 Line In
210855.870641 Digital In
210855.871288 Selected mic: iSight
210856.046933 Send VCHardwareChanged: 1.
210856.051549 Received VCHardwareCapsChangeNotification
2006-03-02 21:08:56.052 iChat[18104] Hardware Caps Dictionary: {
HasCamera = 1;
HasDV = 0;
HasMic = 1;
HasQ8 = 1;
Q8List = ({FirmwareVersion = 16973870; GUID = 2857630787837915; IrisState = 1; });
210856.052238 Found 1 cameras:
210856.052369 iSight - 2857630787837915
210856.052557 selectedCamera GUID returned iSight
210856.052870 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210856.052906 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210856.052919 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210856.052962 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210856.053136 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210856.053173 VCCapAudio
210856.053218 VCCapVideo
210856.053254 VCCapMultiAudio
210856.053291 VCCapMultiVideo
210856.053326 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210856.053351 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.688239 Microphone: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.688479 Microphone: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.694329 Microphone devices:
210858.694388 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.694495 iSight Built-in
210858.694774 Line In
210858.694807 Digital In
210858.694901 Selected mic: iSight
210858.840386 SIPManager init
210858.841797 selectedCamera returned iSight
210858.892635 Microphone devices:
210858.892696 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.892855 iSight Built-in
210858.893188 Line In
210858.893252 Digital In
210858.895823 Microphone devices:
210858.895876 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.895983 iSight Built-in
210858.896260 Line In
210858.896295 Digital In
210858.899621 Microphone devices:
210858.899678 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.899808 iSight Built-in
210858.900197 Line In
210858.900237 Digital In
210858.902432 Microphone devices:
210858.902477 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.902573 iSight Built-in
210858.903587 Line In
210858.903651 Digital In
210858.905486 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210858.905539 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210858.905551 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210858.905561 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210858.905632 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210858.905645 VCCapAudio
210858.905654 VCCapVideo
210858.905664 VCCapMultiAudio
210858.905673 VCCapMultiVideo
210858.905682 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210858.905691 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.914861 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.914958 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210858.914972 Temporal prefilter disabled
210858.915155 startPreview returned 0
210858.937747 VCDelegate conforms to VideoConferenceDelegate protocol.
210858.938618 setLocalUserName: [email protected]
210858.940032 ( ) setValidatedIdentity: [05A9F770]
210859.037201 Found 1 cameras:
210859.037303 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.037461 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.039633 Microphone devices:
210859.039688 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.039848 iSight Built-in
210859.040289 Line In
210859.040333 Digital In
210859.040493 Selected mic: iSight
210859.041110 Found 1 cameras:
210859.041198 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.041552 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.044345 Microphone devices:
210859.044407 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.044592 iSight Built-in
210859.045025 Line In
210859.045070 Digital In
210859.045221 Selected mic: iSight
210859.052380 Found 1 cameras:
210859.052564 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.052657 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.054842 Microphone devices:
210859.054941 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.055073 iSight Built-in
210859.055529 Line In
210859.055667 Digital In
210859.055808 Selected mic: iSight
210859.070024 Microphone devices:
210859.070182 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.070321 iSight Built-in
210859.070659 Line In
210859.070735 Digital In
210859.072602 Microphone devices:
210859.072693 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.072816 iSight Built-in
210859.073120 Line In
210859.073222 Digital In
210859.075537 Microphone devices:
210859.075990 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.076340 iSight Built-in
210859.077132 Line In
210859.077358 Digital In
210859.079567 Microphone devices:
210859.079618 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.079775 iSight Built-in
210859.080200 Line In
210859.080302 Digital In
210859.083136 Microphone devices:
210859.083197 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.083382 iSight Built-in
210859.083821 Line In
210859.083867 Digital In
210859.085842 Microphone devices:
210859.085895 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.086059 iSight Built-in
210859.086479 Line In
210859.086521 Digital In
210859.089814 Microphone devices:
210859.089963 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.090098 iSight Built-in
210859.090436 Line In
210859.090518 Digital In
210859.092931 Microphone devices:
210859.092987 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.093095 iSight Built-in
210859.093356 Line In
210859.093393 Digital In
210859.095235 Microphone devices:
210859.095282 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.095365 iSight Built-in
210859.095613 Line In
210859.095649 Digital In
210859.097632 Microphone devices:
210859.097690 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.097799 iSight Built-in
210859.098055 Line In
210859.098093 Digital In
210859.100060 Microphone devices:
210859.100108 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.100206 iSight Built-in
210859.100461 Line In
210859.100497 Digital In
210859.102269 Microphone devices:
210859.102312 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.102393 iSight Built-in
210859.102631 Line In
210859.102666 Digital In
210859.104885 Microphone devices:
210859.104940 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.105048 iSight Built-in
210859.105306 Line In
210859.105342 Digital In
210859.107121 Microphone devices:
210859.107164 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.107246 iSight Built-in
210859.107480 Line In
210859.107515 Digital In
210859.109491 Microphone devices:
210859.109592 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.109711 iSight Built-in
210859.110137 Line In
210859.110233 Digital In
210859.112092 Microphone devices:
210859.112140 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.112231 iSight Built-in
210859.112505 Line In
210859.112664 Digital In
210859.115023 Microphone devices:
210859.115085 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.115195 iSight Built-in
210859.115451 Line In
210859.115488 Digital In
210859.117436 Microphone devices:
210859.117483 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.117576 iSight Built-in
210859.117830 Line In
210859.117865 Digital In
210859.119623 Microphone devices:
210859.119682 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.119770 iSight Built-in
210859.120017 Line In
210859.120051 Digital In
210859.122167 Microphone devices:
210859.122225 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.122333 iSight Built-in
210859.122592 Line In
210859.122628 Digital In
210859.124719 Microphone devices:
210859.124772 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.124864 iSight Built-in
210859.125219 Line In
210859.125289 Digital In
210859.127140 Microphone devices:
210859.127189 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.127278 iSight Built-in
210859.127521 Line In
210859.127560 Digital In
210859.129416 Microphone devices:
210859.129505 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.129616 iSight Built-in
210859.129924 Line In
210859.129988 Digital In
210859.131877 Microphone devices:
210859.131970 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.132078 iSight Built-in
210859.132369 Line In
210859.132466 Digital In
210859.269417 SNATMAP Configuration Data: snatmap://snatmap.mac.com:5678
210859.269482 acquireSNATMAPConfigurationProc: Refresh UPnP status via SIP
210859.269718 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210859.269756 Transport(UDP) Thread start...
210859.270918 Sending SNATMAP heartbeat to 11FAF895:5678
210859.356385 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in IP change (from: 0 to: 46763DD9)
210859.356439 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in port change (from: 0 to: 5060)
210859.676711 Updating local frame notification.
210900.356452 UPnP not found (-3)
210900.357558 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210900.357616 count of local IP's = 2
210900.357634 LOCAL: ifname=[external], IP=[70.118.61.217], PORT = 5060
210900.357646 LOCAL: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020a:95ff:fe99:cdba], PORT = 5060
210900.357664 LOCAL: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.106], PORT = 5060
210900.357676 LOCAL: ifname=[en0~], IP=[63.87.254.149], PORT = 5060
210906.319521 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210906.319574 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210906.319587 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210906.319598 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210906.319677 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210906.319693 VCCapAudio
210906.319703 VCCapVideo
210906.319712 VCCapMultiAudio
210906.319722 VCCapMultiVideo
210906.319731 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210906.319740 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210906.326002 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceStartedForParty:([email protected])
210906.326083 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_SIGNALING, from: VC_IDLE
210906.326100 initiateConferenceCallUsingRemoteIPAndPortData - start
210906.326259 [ipAndPortData length] = 160
210906.326276 Length is valid: YES
210906.326330 CALLEE: ifname=[external], IP=[65.33.107.56], wPort = 5060
210906.326345 CALLEE: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020d:93ff:feac:a3ca], wPort = 5060
210906.326374 CALLEE: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.100], wPort = 5060
210906.326692 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
2006-03-02 21:09:06.342 iChat[18104] IPAndPortList: ({ip = "65.33.107.56"; port = 5060; }, {ip = "192.168.1.100"; port = 5060; })
210906.342178 =========== OpenPorts!
210906.428105 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16384
210906.515276 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16385
210906.599734 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16386
210906.686685 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16387
210906.688644
VideoConferenceFramework version 245.0 - 02102005 - Dec 15 2005
210906.688709 Checking H263 hardware rules
210906.688766 Satisfied rule #1 (30:1)
210906.689464 selectedCamera returned iSight
210906.690311 * Caller SDP *
210906.690712 v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio %ARTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video %VRTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO %ARTCP-PORT% VIDEO %VRTCP-PORT%
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.690872 SIPConnect start...
210906.691271 TAInviteClientProc Thread start...
210906.691586 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210906.691637 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (924) (492)
210906.691651 Send to 41216B38:5060 [INVITE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 492
v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 70.118.61.217
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 70.118.61.217
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.718261 [[SIP/2.0 100 Trying
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.718447 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.718536 ##### (2)Trying...
210906.719053 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Trying
210906.721595 [[SIP/2.0 180 Ringing
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.721746 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.721837 ##### (2)Ringing...
210906.722241 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Ringing
210907.157916 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 385
v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.158085 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.158165 TAInviteClientProc Thread end(0)...
210907.158330 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.158494 Send to 41216B38:5060 [ACK sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK0ed9241f6e43d35b
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 ACK
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.158584 Start heartbeat to 41216B38:5060
210907.158621 SIPConnect stop(0)...
210907.158666 SIP connect returned 0
210907.158684 Call initiated with callID = 2
210907.159928 Callee User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.159982 * Callee SDP *
210907.160037 Selecting QCELP.
210907.160072 Conference_SetPayload: audio = 12, video = 126
210907.167201 v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
210907.167822 SIPSendMessageAll start...
210907.183310 [[SUBSCRIBE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
Event: conference
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.183648 SIPSubscribeProc Thread start...
210907.183888 Dialog Match(REQUEST): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.184034 TANonInviteServerProc Thread start...
210907.184242 SubscriptionHandleProc start...
210907.184406 | | | | --- iBodyLen 0
210907.184636 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.184668 Send to 41216B38:5060 [SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.184787 SIPSubscribeProc Thread end(200)...
210907.184774 SendNotify start...
210907.185166 TANonInviteClientProc Thread start...
210907.185318 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.185352 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (736) (213)
210907.185366 Send to 41216B38:5060 [NOTIFY sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Event: conference
Subscription-State: active;expires=3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/conference-info+xml
Content-Length: 213
<c-i v="0" st="f" en="sip:[email protected]">
c<h>i</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
c<h>o</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
</c-i>
210907.216132 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.216288 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.216396 SendNotify stop(0)...
210907.406249 Avg=3509858.70, NSDev=97.13%
210907.554900 Avg=1193085.60, NSDev=98.36%
210907.911483 Avg=523906.90, NSDev=6.84%
210907.943506 Orig: Upstream = -499.246kbps, Downstream = -500.168kbps
210907.943573 Final: Upstream = 499.246kbps, Downstream = 499.246kbps
210907.943686 Caller detected bandwidth (kbits/s): 499 up, 499 down. (00000000)
210907.944064 ( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( ) KEY EXCHANGE 1!
210907.944132 ( )( )( ) ---- [email protected] valid:
210907.944147 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
210907.944161 ( )( ) - Overall conference secure: was 0, is 0, count 1
210907.944179 ( )( )( ) ---- @ enabled set to 0
210907.944237 ( )( )( ) ---- @ valid set to 0
210907.944260 Invoke delegate method vcc:securityChanged:
210907.944472 Preparing to send VCInitiateConferenceCompleted
210907.944531 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceCompletedForParty:([email protected]) - retcode: 0
210907.957045 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210907.957110 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210907.957122 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210907.957134 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210907.957216 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210907.957234 VCCapAudio
210907.957244 VCCapVideo
210907.957253 VCCapMultiAudio
210907.957262 VCCapMultiVideo
210907.957271 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210907.957281 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210907.957318 ( )( )( ) ---- {nil} enabled returned 0
210907.971592 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected]
210907.971677 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithIndex: 0
210907.971731 Remote User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.971803 upstream_kbits = 499, downstream_kbits = 499
210907.971964 applyImageSizeDowngradeRuleForPayload: 126 bitrate: 499
210907.971984 Reducing framerate to (15) due to bitrate of (499) < (500)
210907.971996 H264: Downgrade rule #3 (160.000000:120.000000:15) --> (160.000000:120.000000:15)
210907.972030 Conference_SetBitrate: 499000
210907.972044 SetBitrate from 0 to 499000
210907.972055 Conference_SetFramerate: 15
210907.972067 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210907.972079 Temporal prefilter disabled
210907.974098 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.975157 Speaker: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.975324 Speaker: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.977247 =================== ActiveCount += 1
210907.977439 setPeerToPeerInfoInMapForUserID: [email protected], payload = 126, (160 x 120)
210907.977590 Set video format - payload: 126 size: (160 x 120)
210907.977615 SetBitrate from 499000 to 499000
210907.977642 =========== StartTransmit!
210907.977710 Conference_RecvThread start
210907.980581 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.983093 TRANSMIT: 65.33.107.56:16386:16384 hardwareframe:30 determinedframe: 15 key:-1 determinedbitrate: 499
210907.983196 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_BUSY, from: VC_SIGNALING
210907.983243 AGC = 1
210907.983264 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected] returns YES
210908.162846 RTP: recv started
210908.162907 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.189312 RTP: recv started
210908.189381 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.470214 Updating remote frame notification.
210908.470149 Lock: Camera.c:1638 waited on VideoPlayer.c:347 for 100.891 ms
210909.995407 Entering SPIKE
210909.995907 Leaving SPIKE
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Upgrading to leopard from tiger help
Im using a Macbook pro core duo with tiger OS, am I able to upgrade to Leopard OS with my Macbook Core2Duo install disks? or what can I do? I need to upgrade as soon as possible, but I dont have money actually till next month to buy a new install dvd..
thanks for your help ^^Hi hujaboy;
There was a program for those who bought their Macs during the month of Leopard's release to get it at a reduced price but that has long since expired. Now if you want Leopard you will have to purchase it.
Allan -
I am operating with OS X 10.5.8 and need to upgrade to 10.6.4 any thoughts on how?
I just bought the Magic Trackpad, however OS X10.6.4 is required and I am running 10.5.8. I keep clicking on Software update but there aren't any updates. Any thoughts on how I can upgrade would be greatly appreciated.
First...
Check that your Mac meets the System Requirements for Snow Leopard...
Snow Leopard Tech Specs
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP575
If so Contact Apple in your Country to Purchase a Snow Leopard Disc...
http://support.apple.com/kb/HE57
In the US...
1-800-MY-APPLE or 1-800-676-2775
Be sure to make a Backup of your Current System Before Upgrading... -
UPGRADING TO EITHER TIGER OR LEOPARD FROM PANTHER 10.3.9
Dear gentleman
i have doubt and i would like to have your experienced point of view><
if i upgrade from my PANTHER 10.3.9 to either Tiger or Leopard><
will i have same background failures i am having ><
or the new
upgrade os ( tiger / leopard) software will give me a new healthy sistem , clean from all the recent Kernel Panic iam having since more then a week!!!??????????????????
i have been reading that a clean installation of the same OS IT IS BETTER THEN A NEW UPGRADING ,
because the clean installation it will let out all the failures and so nothing of the >old troubles ( kernel panics and so others broken files and so on ) would be present effect my pc in that case!
is that truth????????????
what you think ??????????
sincerely regards
wish a good week to all of you
gio
Message was edited by: exposure1gio,
If you PowerBook G4 meets the Tiger System Requirements, or the Leopard System Requirements, and your Hard Drive is not failing, then you can perform an Erase & Install of either system.
That should make your Mac operating system, once again stable.
But if the Kernel Panics are being caused by incompatible peripherals, Hardware, or Third-Party applications or programs, once you reintroduce those items, you will once again have Kernel Panics.
If you do an Erase & Install of your original operating system, or Panther 10.3.x, the same would be true.
Member cornelius, has posted a guide to Erase & Install here Formatting, Partitioning Zeroing a Hard Disk Drive, authored by cornelius
Your Other Topics regarding this issue:
CRASH EVERYDAY ON MY POWERBOOK G4 WHAT IS GOING ON?
need infos
need YOUR ADVICE
Crash Report here another WINDOWSERVER.CRASH ( REPORT
ali b -
HT6114 Looking To Upgrade To Mavericks From Snow Leopard....
I own a black Macbook Pro and am currently running Snow Leopard. I've maxed my RAM to 4 GB and processing to 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, but when I went to install Mavericks from this website, it said that it can't be installed on this computer. Does anyone know why? Is my computer too old?
I think mine is called the early 2009 Mini, a similar generation, and I'm running latest and greatest Mavericks:
Model Name: Mac mini
Model Identifier: Macmini3,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.26 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
The first thing that came to my mind was that I also might have seen that message but proceeded anyway because I could. Today blocks are set up to warn consumers off because they'll think features like ThunderBolt and LIghtfoot are available on their machines just because they saw it on TV. I'd be disappointed too if it turns out I could upgrade everything I needed but there was some system gestalt thingy that wouldn't let the installer proceed.
So what was a black MacBook Pro originally? Wiki says they started as Core Duo and moved up to Core 2 Duo and 8GB RAM OEM, only addressing 4GB, so I imagine there's trouble with Mavericks trying more addresses on machines that don't have them available?
I would expect to move from Snow Leopard, to Lion (to Mountain Lion), and to Mavericks out of hand, because they shipped that way new before the air style took over. Do you have 160GB boot drive, at least room enough to copy the whole thing down? Also, something in the middle was a paid upgrade, so is the Mavericks blocked by the fact nobody is allowed to jump that far ahead past a paid jump? -
Steps to Upgrade to Leopard from 10.39 ~please~
Hello all, thanks in anticipation that someone will help me upgrade or know what are the cheapest steps to take to do so and enable me to use the "MacFamily Tree 5" please. I wanted to buy a version of it for my OS X 10.3.9 but cannot find it at the Apple site now. I would like to upgrade this computer to the latest version and to have 'Windows' would be cool. How do I check if I have enough space in the Hard Drive for upgrades though? I only use my puter for online stuff mainly. Thank you for any help you can offer me
freedone,
Your Non-Intel PPC iMac can only be upgraded to Tiger 10.4.x, as it does not meet the Leopard System Requirements.
-Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster processor) Yours is 600MHZ, which cannot be upgraded.
-512MB of memory You have 256MB, which you can add to, and should, if you install Tiger 10.4.x.
-DVD drive for installation The 600MHZ iMac, shipped with a DC-RW drive, so unless you have replaced it, with a DVD drive, you do not have one. There are alternate methods of installing Tiger 10.4.x, without one though. More info posted below.
-9GB of available disk space You currently do not have sufficient available free space. More info posted below.
With some upgrading of the iMac's Hardware, to meet the Tiger System Requirements, you can upgrade to that version. More info posted below.
"...19.07 GB 837.7 MB free."
You are dangerously low on available Hard Drive free space!
Backup the system ASAP, and then create additional drive space!
Insufficient available space, can cause performance issues, system corruption, and possible loss of data.
Depending on Mac system usage habits, it is a general recommendation, to keep 10% to as much as 20%, of the Total capacity, available at all times.
Review the suggestions, in the documents that I have linked to below.
Authored by Dr Smoke:
Problems From Insufficient RAM And Free Hard Disk Space
Freeing Space On Your Mac OS X Startup Disk
Mac OS X 10.3/10.4: System Maintenance, authored by Gulliver
Maintaining Mac OS X, authored by Dr Smoke
Is the Mac shutdown overnight, or does it run 24/7?
Have you ever run any routine Maintenance procedures?
If you turn the PowerBook off nightly, the Background Maintenance Tasks, are never run.
These can also be run, using a Third-Party utility, or manually using Terminal, to run the CRON Commands.
I use MacJanitor, when necessary.
INSTRUCTIONS TO RUN CRON MANUAL COMMANDS
Quit all applications/programs.
Navigate to HD > Applications > Utilities.
Double click on Terminal, to open.
At the prompt, type:
sudo periodic daily
Press Return.
Enter your Admin password when prompted, then press Return.
This will execute the daily script that is sheduled to run every night.
When completed, repeat this procedure, but change the command to:
sudo periodic weekly
This one rebuilds a database or two, and usually takes somewhat longer to complete. It is scheduled to run once a week.
Repeat again, with command:
sudo periodic monthly
Or they can all be run in one pass, which is preferable, with this command:
sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
When the tasks complete, and return to the prompt, you may quit Terminal.
Restart the Mac, and run Repair Permissions.
TO REPAIR PERMISSIONS ON THE STARTUP DISK
1.Open Disk Utility, located in Applications/Utilities, and select the startup disk in the left column.
2.Click First Aid.
3.Click Verify Disk Permissions to test permissions or Repair Disk Permissions to test and repair permissions. (I never "Verify". Just run "Repair".)
Rerun RP, until the only messages reported, are listed here Spurious Permissions Errors Using: 10.3.x, authored by Michael Conniff.
When "Repair Permissions" is complete. Quit "Disk Utility".
Mac OS X Versions 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, and 10.5, are complete system upgrades that must be purchased.
Once an OS has been installed, the point upgrades, such as 10.1.x to 10.1.5 (Final) 10.2.x to 10.2.8 (Final), 10.3.x to 10.3.9 (Final), 10.4.x to 10.4.11 (Pending), and 10.5.x to 10.5.1 (Pending), can be downloaded for free.
Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (U.S.).
If you know what to look for, a Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased, sometimes less expensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, FastMac, HardCore Mac, AllMac, etc.
Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
The disc should look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on it.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Caveat Emptor!
If any are presently available, examine these items very carefully, and if in doubt, ask questions of the seller before purchase!
Tiger On eBay
Once Tiger 10.4.x is installed, you can use the PPC 10.4.11 Combo Update, to upgrade to the current version.
Additionally, Tiger 10.4.x ships on a DVD, so if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you will have to use an alternative method of installation.
Info here Installing Tiger Using Firewire Target Disk Mode.
And here Installing Tiger Without A DVD Drive.
The Tiger Media Exchange Program, referred to, is no longer available.
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And I Wish You Success!
ali b -
+ 2 hour upgrade to Leopard from Tiger on Brand New imac 20"
Forgive my upcoming ignorance as this is my first Apple Computer and I know very little about Apple overall but I know a LOT about PCs and Windows.
I just purchased an imac, 20" Intel 2ghz Core Duo, LAST NIGHT.
From out of the box, to plugging in the computer and peripherals, to getting into Tiger for the first time and putting in the Leopard upgrade disk.
Is 2+ hours normal to do this upgrade.. this upgrade took FOREVER. I've installed many operating systems on PCs, mind you I'm installing Windows but it's never taken me 2+ hours to install an Upgrade to an OS on a reasonably fast machine. I've installed / upgraded linux in less time.
I can't believe this is normal and have some concern as to there being an Issue with the Combo Drive or something else?
There's no lights to indicate disk activity or anything during the installation, this is something I'm quite used to in the PC world, to be able to tell if the computer is accessing the Hard Drive or the CD/DVD drive with little lights or even noise. The only noise I heard was scattered disk noises and a random spin up of the CD Drive every so often.
The only visual indicator on the screen was the progress bar during the installation with a Time indicator that seemed to be having as much difficulty as I was in figuring how long this should take. Frequently it would jump from 1 hour 40 minutes to as much as 2 hours and 50 minutes estimating installation time.
Any experts here have any insight on this? Is this normal? Am I missing something here... I would hate to endure another upgrade or install that will be this painful in the future.
Thanks for your input and time on this!Promomag wrote:
Ah yes, I remember 95, infact, I did install this version from floppy, it was 27 floppies if I remember correctly.... at least I was doing something if it took just as long, so I don't think that install was as agonizing as this. Thanks for the memories.
C'mon though... what's up with not having any indication that the computer is doing anything at all while it's installing.... Couldn't apple make the little Apple logo on the front blink or something when there's disk activity. Seriously, I like that the Mac is quiet, but I don't like having to put my ear to the side of the case to hear if it's doing anything. If I hear the cd whiring or the disk crunching I have a good indication there's activity but through this whole process the CD only spun up in short spurts every so often.
I was wondering if this install was recompiling kernals or doing something ... the time indicator bar as my only means to an estimated guage is very silly to me!
I thought about that when I installed and even posted about those seemingly long times when nothing seems to be happening and cautioned the rush-hour crowd to be patient.
I think I have an answer, but it may be stretching things: many Mac users, I have noticed don't like things like desktop items, even if it's only one or two. One did not even like the Dock and wanted it gone - not hidden as most of us set it, but gone. Finito! And for years there were only one-button mice available and no BSD under the hood. So I think this lack of information is only annoying to people like me who came recently from the PC world (and am still in it) but the Macophiles probably like those blank information-less screens. I do recall once that Apple ran an ad saying "Who cares about MHz, GHz GBs and such - it's the color (flavor?) that counts. Fortunately, Apple has come a long way from then and attracted people like myself who do care about what is under the hood.
I suspect as more and more get involved in the BSD stuff and X11 and such, that these indicators will become more prevalent. At least I hope so.
An obvious bug when using DU, in 10.5.1, however, is that when doing a verify, my odometer says 1 minute left for about 5 minutes and then backs up and says 13 minutes left and drops about 1 minute every few seconds. In 10.5.0 the barber pole spun for a long time with no information.
Still, these are reasonably minor glitches and certainly not show-stoppers.
All-in-all, I look at Leopard as a distinct improvement over Tiger in almost every area. I miss Sherlock - which is why I keep my bootable Tiger clones up-to-date and working properly.
Interestingly, I have 3 Macs and 2 PCs and 5 Windows programs running on them.
Contrary to what others say about Vista, I find it running quite boringly well on this MBP. It's the 64-bit version and I did have to find the network drivers on my own. -
Upgrading to Leopard...any new word?
Hi all. I'm a happy Panther user, well, at least I was until recently. Also, I've searched the boards and FAQs, but I want the latest skinny, so here goes.
Through a long convoluted story (which I will spare you) involving my Final Cut Studio upgrade to v5.1, I think I'm gonna need to purchase Tiger.
However, before I do (since I'm gonna have to plunk down $200 for the family pak), I'd like to know if anyone out there has any inkling as to whether I'm then gonnna have to pay full price for Leopard?Hi, Mike.
If you need Tiger functions, including its improved performance over prior versions of Mac OS X, upgrade now, assuming your Mac meets the system requirements for Tiger. Otherwise, wait and reevaluate after Leopard's complete specifications are announced.
Leopard's target date was announced as "Spring 2007" at the Worldwide Developer Conference on 7 August 2006. That roughly means sometime between late March (21 March is the first day of Spring 2007) and late June (21 June is the first day of Summer 2007). That's a good number of months from now.
If Apple holds to previous trends, the pricing for Leopard should be the same as it has been for Tiger. However, no one but Apple knows how Leopard will be priced until the pricing is announced.
So, if you can put up with the performance and limitations of the current version of Mac OS X you are using until Spring 2007, do nothing. Otherwise, upgrade to Tiger.
Frankly, IMO Tiger is light-years ahead of prior versions Mac OS X and worth the upgrade if you need functions it provides.
Good luck!
Dr. Smoke
Author: Troubleshooting Mac® OS X
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