Lost color temperature slider

With so many keyboard commands I was playing around and lost the color temperature slider in the adjustments panel. I was setting all my indoor flash shots to 4,400K and I tried a couple new keyboard commands and poof, it's gone.
Any idea how to get it back?
Thanks,
Jeffrey

Hit the Plus menu at the top of the adjustment panel and choose White Balance.
When selected, click the Gear icon next to White Balance and select Add to Default Set

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When shooting a play with tungsten lighting I set the camcorder to custom white balance but forgot to adjust the color temperature and the video now has a reddish cast.
If it was a still photo, I could open it in adobe raw/lightroom and adjust the color temperature slider until the color cast disappear.
Is there an equivalent function in premiere pro cs4?
There is a color balance video effect but it is overkill. I don't need to adjust the color on highlights, midtones, or shadow. All I need is change the color temperature. Any ideas?
I'm using premiere pro cs4. I also have photoshop cs4.

However I also worry this feature applies different correction at different times; whereas I want a constant correction throughout the video, so I can verify it looks ok without having to view the entire video.
You are correct. It is the same for about every "Auto Effect." They only work well, where nothing has changed, i.e. the lighting, the exposure, etc., so about the only way to really use this is in a very controlled studio, or properly lit location shot. That is not what one usually is working with.
If Fast Color is not working for you, explore Three-Way Color Corrector - more control.
There are also 3rd party plug-ins, like Colorista, that many favor over the CC Effects in PrPro: http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/magic-bullet-colorista-II/
Good luck,
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Colors in parade do not change when I move the Temperature slider.

I am trying to do the speed grade tutorial, but the color does not change when I move the temperature slider.

It might be nice to know which "issue" of Sg you're using.There have been issues where the colors "lag" while using a slider/control, but typically when you let "up" on the control, the adjustment is "there". From your comment, am I correct in assuming that the controls simply don't do anything even after you've moved them? And of course ... when you "move" them, you do see the indicator on the slider-line move, right?
Neil

White Balance color temperature for custom temperature shots

Hello,
I would like to understand why LR and Photoshop too are always show wrong color temperature "As Shot"?
Let say I shoot with 6000K, set manually (Canon 40D, RAW)
Canon itself says it's 6000K in the slide info, fine.
Both Adobe apps says it's 5750K!
What's going on there?
Second question - I know the light was EXACTLY 6000K, but the slide has some green in it. Picking white balance in LR gives me 5900K (which is close to the truth) and +31 Tint, which makes slide neutral.
Of course I can correct Tint manually before the shot by WB Shift in Camera, so the question is: what is the best way - to find more or less appropriate WB shift in the camera, or use WB correction in LR after all?
Thanks
UPD. My suggestion is - Adobe doesn't read custom temperature from RAW file, it's just guessing! Is that right?

The white balance value you see in Lightroom is profile specific. It reads your custom white balance and translates it so that neutrals stay neutral, which is exactly what you want. If it wouldn't do this, your neutrals would shift in color.
The best way to get a correct white balance is to shoot a white balance (grey) card or use one of those filters on your camera to measure it. You can either set it in camera from the grey card or do it with the dropper in Lightroom and sync over the series. The effect will be the same.
P.S. unless you shoot a white balance card, you do not know that the color temp of your light is exactly 6000K. That is quite impossible to know. It might be approximately that under certain standardized conditions but you cannot be sure, no matter what you're told by the manufacturer.

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Simple question... How would I set the color temperature of my display from 9300K to 6500K, absent the usual hardware menu? Are there any software utilities that let me set color temperature.
Edit: my graphics hardware is i945GM, not anything from nVidia, for what it's worth.
(And apparently gamma corrections don't have any bearing on color temperature. Oy veh.)
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Hmm. Found something interesting here:
3) Accessing the displays DDC/CI channel, to adjust the screen
controls (brightness, contrast, color temperature etc.) automatically.
This seems to be a lost cause at the moment under X11. While the DDC
channel is often used in starting the X11 server to read the EDID,
it is not made available to applications that need/want to adjust
display settings. There is a project that goes in this direction
somewhat (DDIcontrol), but it is not properly integrated
into X11 - the application drawing the test colors should be
able to access the same display.screen's DDC/CI channel, not
rely on the user to make the association, and not have to incorporate
all sorts of device dependent access code (that's what an X11 display
driver is meant to be shielding the application from!)
This could be a low level function that allows the application to
read and write DDC messages, or it could be a higher level
function that allows "brightness", "contrast" etc. to be
read and set (encapsulating any display differences).
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It's rare I don't agree with you RB but I guess there's a first time for everything
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I just did a side-by-side test by duplicating a picture with a blown-out background:
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Hi,
In indoor architectural photography one may encounter mixed color temperatures in one image. If one could use gels and lamps to replace incoming natural daylight and force a uniform color temperature (for instance tungsten) then the problem would go away. Yet, sometimes this is not possible or practical and I was exploring what could be accomplished within Photoshop. Here is my proposal ( or beginning of it):
shoot RAW
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I'm having major issues with the above. This happens specifically when video is played, be it via youtube or through VLC or even XBMC.The color temperature of the video just shifts to a cooler blue and then after a while goes back to normal. This does not happen on the monitor of the iMac itself. Otherwise, viewing still photos or browsing the web works okay. It is really very irritating as you don't expect this to be happening.
I've read that this could be an issue affecting macbooks with the ability to switch between integrated and dedicated video cards, but i can't seem to find any thing suggesting a fix for iMacs. Just so you guys know, it occurs on my macbook pro as well too.
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My requests:
1.) Please change the behavior of the 'Recovery' slider so that it attacks very-blown-out-highlights more rigorously than less-blown-out-highlights.
2.) Please add a 'Color Correction' slider to the Tone Curve that is analogous to the 'Color Correction' slider built into the 'Shadows/Highlights' tool in Adobe Photoshop & Apple Aperture.
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More for your eyes to feast on:
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/HighlightRecovery_LRvsAperture_2.jpg
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/LR_FailsToDecreaseBlownOutHighlights.jpg
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Help me verify color temperature issue please.
I shoot with Canon EOS 5D.
I sat white balance mode to K - Manual Kelvin temperature - and set value to 6000K.
So my raw files should have this setting - color temperature 6000K.
Canon ZoomBrowser EX shows me the value - 6000K
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Ramon seemed to have the answer in hand, then G Sch above chimed in with some random comment about coordinate systems. Weirdly, Ramon then agreed with G Sch's nonsense and thanked him for it. Suddenly the thread has suffered an ineluctable defenestration.
Is:
- camera maker's control for XXXX Kelvin wrong?
- Adobe's control for XXXX Kelvin wrong?
- the use of the designator "K" in these contexts wrong, as it implies physics reference for the measure while the camera and ACR just do their own thing?
By the logic used in this thread, 1/250sec shutter doesn't have anything to do with a time standard, nor does F4 mean an aperture, it's just a coordinate in a locally defined system, la la la. So why bother to even code it in EXIF? What's the point of providing a control in terms of K if K isn't normalized?
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I know there are 5 million methods to adjust colors in PS, but I would really prefer a simple (and almost scientific) method like the color temperature adjustment in ACR (with the green-magenta color cast adjustment).
Ideally, PS would read the current color temperature from the EXIF data (and adjust to any adjustment layers below), and give the option to pick a neutral pixel (and display the color shift based on that). in case there is no original color temp available, the grey pixel picker could be used to establish a base value, and give the user at least relative color shift values (or the user could enter the values by hand from ACR).
The reason for this is that most (pro) photographers probably know the color temp of their environments (lights, ambient, gels etc) (or can read those values from ACR), so adjusting values in regards to kelvin would make things much more precise than the ambivalent values of e.g. the color balance adjustment.

What I was asking is a different method to achieve the same results what is possible with levels/curves/color balance etc without going into lab mode. (btw, the lack of a grey picker and the zoned approach of color balance isn't ideal sometimes)
thank you for reminding me that I need to brush up on my color theory. your reply has a tone of "why are you asking this, there are already tools for this" which I find a bit too conservative, when my intention is to make PS even more user friendly... if we would go with your paradigm, we wouldn't need levels, because everybody could just use curves, and yet both are very popular and often used based on the users preferences.
what I am asking is bringing the white balance settings from ACR into an adjustment layer, with all it's implications.
it would enable users to specifically balance images with mixed light sources (with the proposed color temp/WB adjustment layer with it's mask) by entering values in kelvin, and not some arbitrary numbers from 0-1 or 0-255. it would be so much easier to balance tungsten to daylight by adding 2000 kelvin to the image, or to control a straw gel that was added somewhere in the scene. I can imagine so many applications for this adjustment layer...

Lightroom, Color Temperature, Kelvin

Is there any way to have Lightroom how the color temperature in Kelvin
instead of what it is using? Or does someone has a chart that equates the LR
numbers to the degrees Kelvin?
I wish Adobe would stick with standards with such things. It is bad enough
when you use the white balance eye dropper that the grid enlargement you see
when it is over the image shows the RGB values as a percentage instead of
what Photoshop shows you. It is very hard to get close to 128 128 128 when
your using a percentage. Again, Adobe started the use of certain methods in
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Robert

Jim,
My understanding is that an absolute K whitepoint does not strictly make any sense for relative-colour JPEGs. This has been hashed out, ad nauseam, on other threads.
That is, the controls provided are intended to be /correct/, and not just convenient.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I prefer correct interfaces myself.
I'm actually having trouble coming up with a case where an absolute Kelvin setting is of much use, anyway. I suppose if you know that 5300K was likely the temperature of the colour on a particular shoot it might be useful. But, if you already know that why not set the camera to the same value? If one needed absolute K (say, for legal or scientific reasons) I suspect one might be shooting raw, and using a pre-set whitepoint.
At any rate, my advice is to post this as a feature, which (I understand) will probably be interpreted to mean, "provide access to absolute K values for whitepoint for file formats that can only represent relative temperature, quantizing and approximating in some cases to get as close as we can, within some arbitrary limits."
I'd have to go look at the other thread and do some more research, but this, I think, is the crux of the matter. Misunderstandings and errors on this matter are, of course, all mine.

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Transcode the footage to ProRes 422 through Log & Transfer. See Shane Ross' tutorial for tapeless workflows: http://library.creativecow.net/ross_shane/tapeless-workflow_fcp-7/1
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