LR 2.1 Softproofing with CS3 Smart Object

I have seen Jeff Schewe use a duplicate of the image to smart proof at least until Adobe gets this in LR (Can't Wait!) but some discussions say edit in a smart object.
What advantage does this have over the way Jeff does this and is it done the same way with a duplicate image?

My problem might be of a similar origin.
I have also posted it on a different thread http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b6903c
I use mostly Hebrew characters for Keywording (the file names are in English) after opening in CS3 and saving, the keywords are converted from Hebrew fonts to accented fonts like åäöÅÄÖ.
This didn't happen in LR1 and does not happen if I use CS3 as my secondary editor (not using the new LR2 edit in CS3 functionality)
Shai

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Now - JJ - when you say "overlay files" - what do you mean? Because that feels like a good description for what happened.
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