LR 2 color management printing woes with B9180

I have been going nuts trying to get accurate prints with LR2 and the HP B9180 (I use a Mac with Leopard 10.5). When I set "Managed by Printer" in LR2, and then click on Print to open up the B9180 print driver dialog, under the "Color Matching" tab the "Vendor Matching" option is selected, and there is no way to change this since it's grayed out. I thought Vendor Matching means that color management is turned off in the printer driver! That would mean there is no profile selected for the print.
Alternatively, if I choose a color profile in LR2, and then click the Print button, under the "Color Matching" tab the "Colorsync" option is selected and there is no way for me to unselect it and choose Vendor Matching instead since the selections are grayed out. In that case it seems I am double profiling.
Do I misunderstand how this is supposed to work? I have a calibrated display. I wish the B9180 just has a button that said "no color management" but it doesn't....
Thanks,
Peter

DYP,
Nope using home made profiles using Spyder3Print.
I don't need to touch the ColorSync Utility.
From what I have read about 10.5 printing and the HP, when you are using an application to color manage, 10.5 will turn off color management in the printer driver automatically. So all I do, is select the profile in Lightroom, and set the paper type/quality the same as when I created the profile (I have a preset in the print dialogue for this) and then print.
Using the CU work around is a pain and it should not have to work like that. Changing profiles should not have to go through hoops and using a bunch of different apps just to print.
Have a look at Russell Brown's video as well. It's linked on my DPReview reply.
Shrey
PS The other way of printing with profiles on the B9180 is to add the custom profiles in the Custom Paper option in the HP Printer Utility. Then in Lightroom select Managed by Printer and in the printer dialogue, select the custom paper and either AdobeRGB or ColorSmart. That worked well while Lightroom's printing in 1.4 was messed up.

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Also, it would be helpful if anyone having definitive information about this topic could please email me directly in addition to replying to this forum topic, in order that I might know a response is available sooner (I am new to this forum, and may not check it regularly). My direct email address is [email protected].
Bottom Line: Color managed printing using my own custom-generated profiles from LR 1.3.1 to my Epson 7600 (on Intel-based Mac OS X 10.5.2, but saw the same behavior with 10.5.1) using the current Epson 7600 Intel/10.5x-compatible driver (3.09) is broken, and appears to be doing the exact opposite (inverse) of what I would expect and what PS CS3 does properly.
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(Here's the 2nd half of my post...)
I said above that the improper settings from LR yielded results that I would almost say were correct. "Almost" because the benchmark results rendered by PS using proper settings are slightly different - both "better" and closer to each other - than those rendered by LR using the improper settings. The diffs between the Perceptual and Rel CM prints from LR using improper settings showed more marked differences in tone/contrast/saturation than the diffs observed between the Perceptual and Rel CM prints from PS using proper settings - the image itself was in-gamut enough that diffs between Perceptual and Rel CM in the proper PS prints were quite subtle. Even though the improper LR prints were slightly inferior to the proper PS prints, the improper LR prints were still within tolerances of what you might expect, and still better (in terms of color matching) than the "Managed by Printer" print from LR. At first guess, I would attribute this (the improper LR prints being inferior to the proper PS prints) to the CMM being used by LR being different from (inferior to) the CMM I have selected for use in PS (that being "Adobe (ACE)"). I can live with the LR CMM being slightly different from that used in PS - that is not the issue here. What is at issue is trying to determine why LR is clearly behaving differently than PS in this well-understood area of functionality, all other variables being the same. (And, incidentally, why am I not seeing other posts raising these same questions?)
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Any insights or suggestions will be very much appreciated. Please remember to reply to my direct email address ([email protected]) in addition to your public reply to this forum.
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