LR 3 vs. PSE editing?

Just spent a fair bit of time coursing through LR 3 overviews and descriptions and features - and yes it drives home the idea that it covers the whole digital workflow - including editing.
But, I could not find info as to what type of 'editing' or processing LR 3 does...
Yes it included noise reduction - but its vague there too. It uses the Camera Raw 6/6.1 (mind you, it usually fell short of calling it ACR, preferring the name Photoshop Camera Raw, for example). Does it also offer NR for jpeg? (Does PSE 8 offer NR for jpeg - or only ACR??)
So, can someone explain the extent of what LR 3 offers for image editing please?
(apparently there is no "pixel level editing?)
aside from 'potential' better NR in LR3, is there an 'Editing' reason I should acquire LR3 in favour of PSE 8?
Thank-you,

When you ask about the "type of editing" in LR3 vs PSE, do understand the really big difference in the conceptual models of the two.
In Photoshop/PSE, the editing model is built around the concept of layers. It's possible to preserve your original image...and also quite easy to change it irretrievably. In LR, there's no layers -- the model is to apply your edits to the image via non-destructive editing, aka parametric editing. You can toggle the edits on and off, and you can ALWAYS get back to your original image...unless/until you fire it up in Photoshop/PSE editor.
And yes, the noise reduction in LR3 is waaaayy more powerful than what's in PSE8. And the selection and image healing/cloning tools in PSE are (IMHO) waaaay more powerful than in LR3. LR3 advocates claim they can do 90% of their editing there...but if you love to do photo restoration, for example, Photoshop/PSE would probably be the better tool.
And, oh yeah, LR3 is $299. So, download the 30-trial and decide if it works for you, before you spend that kind of money.

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Please use small words, since I'm not a professional.
Regards,
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