Lr and NEF Chromatic Aberration

Dear All,
The more I look at (D700) NEFs in Lr, the more I think Lr does not do justice to them (note that I do not blame Adobe for this). Indeed, if I look at Lr's rendition of NEFs compared to the in-camera generated JPEGs, I see chromatic aberrations which are not present in the JPEG. For instance compare
with
Clearly, the top image exhibits much less chromatic aberration than the second. Now, the top image is the JPEG and the bottom one is the NEF. Clearly, Nikon's on-board chip knows more about rendering the raw image than Lr does. Anyone else seen this effect ?
With the introduction of camera profiles in V2.4, Lr made a step in the right direction. Now the question is: When will Lr be able to do at least as well as Nikon's on-bord chips when it comes to chromatic aberration ? Couldn't Adobe "buy" Nikon's "secret" and get Lr up to top speed ?
Thanks for your time and input, folks.
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Jepoma

Sorry, but the camera generated jpg includes all of Nikon's in-camera processing. There is no reason why a nef in LR should duplicate it exactly. Since Nikon is perhaps the hardest core about making certain information proprietary, you are comparing apples and oranges, or more appropriately a raw apple to an apple pie made with a secret recipe. From my perspective, LR will never do "as well" as the on board chip because you aren't seeing the results of the onboard chip anyway but rather the processed data from that chip. Actually, the LR image is likely closer to the unprocessed data than the jpg. Personally, I don't like Nikon's in-camera processing (and have never been comfortable with the detail I am losing with Nikon jpgs), so I shoot exclusively raw and am happy to do all the adjustment in LR.
As far as Adobe buying "the secrets" from Nikon, I just think that is a bit naive. That assumes that Adobe is the stumbling block, when the reality is Nikon has pushed to keep things propietary and sells its own (lousy) software to take advantage of the propietary aspects. BTW, of course you are blaming Adobe - LR is not a living being, it is a piece of software designed by the people at Adobe. If it doesn't do what you want and you are comparing it unfavorably to the Nikon straight-from-camera jpg, you would appear to be attributing a deficiency to someone. Based upon the rest of the post that certainly would appear to be the producers of LR....
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