LR and NEFs

I'm still new to this but I'm learning. I've been looking at a number of workflow/photo enhancement options including LR. I understand that some of the NEF information is encrypted. It seems like CaptureNX would be able to access all of the information in the NEF but what about LR? Is it a major disadvantage if LR can only access some of the encrypted information (like white balance) from the NEF?

It only accesses the relevant information in the NEFs like the white balance, focal length, camera ID, etc. The in-camera settings such as contrast curve, sharpening, etc. are ignored as it does for RAW files from any camera.

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My LR 4 suddenly no longer recognized my memory cards. I am using the same cards and cameras but consisitently get the error message:"files not imported because the files could not be read. they are jpg and nef files...I am stuck without my workhorse! Any

My LR 4 suddenly no longer recognized my memory cards. I am using the same cards and cameras but consisitently get the error message:"files not imported because the files could not be read. they are jpg and nef files...I am stuck without my workhorse! Any advice is helpful. This has never happened in 6 years

answered in your other thread LR 4 suddenly no longer recognizes files.

Working jpg AND nef files - help please

I've got zillions (okay tens of thousands) of jpg files. I just got Lightroom today and I just started shooting nef+jpgfine with my D300 two weeks ago. Before then it was no RAW at all for me.
I'm trying to figure out how to approach my workflow for the future. I still suspect that, when I shot school functions, taking hundreds of photos, 90+% of the jpgs straight out of the camera will be perfect as is. For some small percentage of shots I will want to change them, so I can tweak the raw (or the jpg) files in the future.
1. If I have a folder with just jpgs, LR is happy to import those. But I have a folder with both jpgs and nefs in them, LR only allows me to import the nefs. First question: How do I do this, i.e. import both types into LR?
2. Here is my most basic (and my second) question, assuming I want to continue shooting BOTH raw and jpg, which I do, how do I use LR to manage the files?
3. For example, the first thing I want to do is to delete unwanted photos, which will have files of both types in the folder. How do I go about this using LR and without exiting to the Windows file manager to manually delete the jpgs?

>First question: How do I do this, i.e. import both types into LR?
On Import Tab of Preferences window, check "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos".
>.... how do I use LR to manage the files?
In grid view, you can get Lightroom to display filename and type on the frame around each photo in Grid view. Use CTRL+J or View->View Options to choose what you display.
Generally, the grid view will show .jpg and .nef versions of file next to each other, so when you want to delete a particular photo it is easy to select both the .jpg and .nef versions.
You could also do a Find with Text: Filename, Rule: Ends With, .JPG (or .NEF) in the search box to find all your .jpg (or .nef) files and work only with the .jpg or .nef files.
>the first thing I want to do is to delete unwanted photos, which will have files of both types in the folder. How do I go about this using LR and without...
Select them in grid view and delete. (but you should display filename and file type on the grid frame to make selection easier). Choose Delete from Disk on pop-up window if you want them removed from catalog and sent to recycle/trash.
I am sure that others will offer other suggestions, but all that you want to do can be done in Lightroom.

CS4 Photoshop and .NEF (Nikon) images

My Photoshop CS4 opens images shot in Nikon Raw (.NEF) as .jpg files. Why?

Hello,
I am running Snow Leopard on my Mac. I have my old photos from my D60 stored in iPhoto. I'm trying to get them into Lightroom but that's another headache issue. >:(
I don't use the Bridge. When I want to open a photo in Photoshop, I select File>Open, then access iPhoto. I then double-click the event that contains the image I want so I can select it. At the bottom of the dialog box, "Enable" and "All Readable Documents" are shown, as well as "Format" at the lower left of the same dialog box. What I see for the "Format" is "JPEG" even though I have been shooting strictly in Raw (NEF). I don't even choose both JPEG and NEF, which is an option I have. Is this what I should be seeing there?
I then change the "Format" from "JPEG" to "Camera Raw" to do some editing that way. I checked the Plug-in section of Photoshop and it says I have Camera Raw 5.0. I found some additional updates like 5.1, 5.2 etc. but I've tried downloading those and the version shown never changes. I also found some updates to Photoshop as a whole so I went from what I had at 11.0 to 11.1 via a download I found. I saw there are more after 11.1 so I will be updating those. Why I didn't get these long ago, I have no idea. Will getting me to the latest version of Photoshop CS4 help this? Or am I not undertanding how this all works together? I got CS4 back in 2008 (I think) and haven't used it much until I got back into photography about a year ago. And a month ago I got Lightroom but once my images are downloaded there, to Lightroom, I can't even open those in Photoshop at all. They are "grayed out" and I can't get at them.
Again, I'm just wondering if I'm not understanding how all of this works.

Lr and NEF Chromatic Aberration

Dear All,
The more I look at (D700) NEFs in Lr, the more I think Lr does not do justice to them (note that I do not blame Adobe for this). Indeed, if I look at Lr's rendition of NEFs compared to the in-camera generated JPEGs, I see chromatic aberrations which are not present in the JPEG. For instance compare
with
Clearly, the top image exhibits much less chromatic aberration than the second. Now, the top image is the JPEG and the bottom one is the NEF. Clearly, Nikon's on-board chip knows more about rendering the raw image than Lr does. Anyone else seen this effect ?
With the introduction of camera profiles in V2.4, Lr made a step in the right direction. Now the question is: When will Lr be able to do at least as well as Nikon's on-bord chips when it comes to chromatic aberration ? Couldn't Adobe "buy" Nikon's "secret" and get Lr up to top speed ?
Thanks for your time and input, folks.
++
Jepoma

Sorry, but the camera generated jpg includes all of Nikon's in-camera processing. There is no reason why a nef in LR should duplicate it exactly. Since Nikon is perhaps the hardest core about making certain information proprietary, you are comparing apples and oranges, or more appropriately a raw apple to an apple pie made with a secret recipe. From my perspective, LR will never do "as well" as the on board chip because you aren't seeing the results of the onboard chip anyway but rather the processed data from that chip. Actually, the LR image is likely closer to the unprocessed data than the jpg. Personally, I don't like Nikon's in-camera processing (and have never been comfortable with the detail I am losing with Nikon jpgs), so I shoot exclusively raw and am happy to do all the adjustment in LR.
As far as Adobe buying "the secrets" from Nikon, I just think that is a bit naive. That assumes that Adobe is the stumbling block, when the reality is Nikon has pushed to keep things propietary and sells its own (lousy) software to take advantage of the propietary aspects. BTW, of course you are blaming Adobe - LR is not a living being, it is a piece of software designed by the people at Adobe. If it doesn't do what you want and you are comparing it unfavorably to the Nikon straight-from-camera jpg, you would appear to be attributing a deficiency to someone. Based upon the rest of the post that certainly would appear to be the producers of LR....
Stephen

Lightroom 5.4 problem importing older crw and nef files

Built new computer. Fresh install of Photoshop Lightroom 5.4. Imported photos to lightroom 5.4. After import session completed noted some folders in catalog had zero photos. Checked folders in explorer and photos/files are present. Able to open and view photos/files in Photoshop cs5.
Files are raw files format from canon G1 CRW and Nikon d70 NEF.
Any ideas? How do I proceed? Should I download and install the free Adobe DNG Converter? But these are old cameras?
thanks

Thanks for the reply. No the files were not list in a LR Catalog anywhere on the computer. I was able to import the missing files by right clicking on the empty folder in the LR Catalog, selected the import to folder option. This opened the import LR Window, I deselected the "duplicate option" . This allowed the files to become visible, not the usual grayed out thumbnails usually seen if attempting to import a duplicate. Once I selected the raw files LR imported them to the folder. I did get a LR message stating that a "smart preview already was present for files.
If LR was able to verify a smart preview for the files from a previous import, why were the folders in LR displaying a 0 for files/photos?
I am in the process of reviewing the LR Catalog to ensure everything was imported.

Bridge and NEF problem

I downloaded PS6 to my new Mac Mini and Bridge will not open my NEF thumbnails. I did not have this problem on my Mac Book Pro that I was using previously. Is there something else I need to download or change in preferences?

I finally got my Messaging Bridge (Tibco to a WLS Cluster) to work. See my post 3 messages before yours - to which no-one responded... :-(
          So here goes with my suggestion based on what I have done.
          1. Create a Distributed Destination for the WLS queue and "auto deploy" it your cluster. (Read the manual on how to do that, it is quite straightforward).
          2. In the Local Bridge Destination, put :
          Connection URL - nothing
          Initial Context Factory - weblogic.jndi.WLInitialContextFactory
          Connection Factory JNDI Name - <your JMS conection factory name>
          Destination JNDI Name - <the JNDI name given to the Distributed Destination>.
          I hope that works.
          Andy

CS1 and NEF files

I'm having a similar issue as the person using CS4. I know it's compatability.
I'm using iPhoto 9 (for storage & organization primarily) and Photoshop CS1 (yes, the first CS). It's easy to figure out how to make iPhoto open the RAW files in an external editor (PS) - just checking a couple boxes in Preferences.
The message I get when trying to open RAW files is "could not complete your request because it is not the right kind of document."
My camera is a Nikon D3200. The version of the Camera Raw plug-in I have is 2.0.
From searching through this site I've determined:
1) CS1 is compatible with raw plug-in versions 2.0-2.4
2) The minimum plug-in required for my D3200 is 7.1
3) The DNG converter provides backward compatability for free in PS CS2, etc. Why not CS1?
4) But to use the DNG converter, on one of the site pages, it says I need plug-in 2.3 or later.
5) See #1. Does this mean, if I can find a copy of plug-in 2.3 (allegedly compatible with CS1), I can make this workflow successful?
I cannot afford to upgrade to a new version of PS - got no money. How can I get a copy of the 2.3 plug-in? How can I make my NEF files play nice with CS1?
Thanks!

If you downloaded and installed the mac version of the 2.4 camera raw in cs, then you also need the 7.4 dng converter to convert your
Nikon D3200 camera raw files to dng copies and then you can open the dng files into photoshop cs.
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5568
You might have to use one of the compatibilty settings under Change Preferences>Compatibility in the dng converter so the dngs will open in photoshop cs.
So you might experiment with a file or two before converting all the files.

Installed Lightroom 5.2 and DNG 8.2 and NEF files are not supported.

I installed Lightroom 5.2 and DNG 8.2 and when I try and import NEF files I am told they are not supported.

If your camera is very new, like a Nikon Df, then wait until the next version of LR/PS/ACR for support.
If your camera model is newer than the latest version of LR, perhaps a Nikon D610, then you need LR 5.3/ACR 8.3/DNGC8.3 which are all available in release-candidate status at Adobe Labs: http://labs.adobe.com/
If your camera is older and should be supported, then are you using and older Nikon Transfer or View NX that are corrupting your NEFs in a way that Adobe doesn’t recognize them? The solution for this is to not use the Nikon products that predate your camera and install versions that came with your camera or are newer than your camera. Or just use LR, itself, or the OS utilities like Finder and Explorer to copy the NEFs to your hard-drive.
If your files are corrupted by obsolete Nikon products, then there is a utility, here, that can undo the damage:
http://owl.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/fix_corrupted_nef.html

Elements 6.0 (Mac) and NEF Files

Does there exist a set of instructions regarding Elements handling of NEF images? I see from a number of discussion threads that the issue of Elements not reading NEF files is somewhat common. But no where does thewre seem to be a consistent solution.
Some say I must update the Camera Raw file. Others say it should work, as is. Others say I'll have to update the plug-ins. The Elements user manual says to simply open the file. Pardon me if my frustration is showing but there seems to be a ton of conflicting information.
I have a 1 year old iMac with the latest OS upgrades, a new Nikon D90, and the trial version of Elements 6, downloaded 3 days ago. When I try to open a NEF image I get the error message saying the file type is not recognized.
I'm reluctant to spend money for Adobe support on a product I'm just auditioning. Can anyone tell me if a single source of information exists telling me what I should do? I'm comfortable with Elements and would like to stay with it, but not if I have to go through a great deal of trouble. Thanks for any help.

The trial version of elements contains a very old ACR plug-in. You need to update it. You can't update PSE from the Adobe updater. You must go here, download ACR and install it per the instructions given.
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=40&platform=Macintosh

Win7, CS4 and NEF files

I've been using CS4 with XP for about 7months with no problems. I installed Win7 a few days ago and now seem to have an issue. Many of my Nikon raw files, nef, do not open in PS or Br. The icons don't show with a image in Br, just the generic NEF icon image. Some of my older NEF files work, but none of my recently taken photo files in RAW work. When I open a folder with RAW files, sometimes they show briefly then change to the generic image and won't open. I'm running CS4 with all settings to default.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance...Jack

Hmmm...I guess I'm getting old. I had reinstalled CS4 Design Suite and still had the problem. Then I checked for updates, and I downloaded them. I just did not notice the window behind the other windows that said there was a problem with the install. So, I reloaded the updates and rebooted. When I went back to my folders with raw files, they updated. It was my impression, they were doing this in the order in which they were created. So if when I checked a recent folder, nothing updated. But when I went back to the oldest folder they started to update to show the icon and be opened in ACR and Ps. Thanks for your help. I'm glad this worked because when I looked in the Plug-ins...I had a ton of them because I do have some plugin programs loaded.
Thanks again!

DNG EXIF data and NEF

When importing to L2 and convert to DNG does ALL the EXIF data come across?
I ask this because if I open a NEF file with Capture NX2 I can see details
about my off camera flash groups that I have used.
L2 does not seem to show this which is OK, I'm more concerned that If I
convert to DNG then this information will be brought across in the hope that
a future version of Lightroom will display it.

You can do this with iPhoto, Aperture or any serious Photo app - for instance Photoshop Elements or Graphic Coverter.
But a note of caution: Not every app on Windows actually writes these keywords and comments to the IPTC data of the photo (none actually write to the Exif - there is no area for Keywords and Comments in Exif) so best to be sure that this is actually being done before committing.
You can view the IPTC data of a file using Graphic Coverter - and you can download a free trial. Open one of the pics and see if it sees this data.
Regards
TD

Question about Aperture and NEF...NEF conversion to match embedded jpeg

I just bought a D3 and will be getting Aperture soon. I understand that Aperture will not utilize the in camera settings in a NEF file (white balance, vivid and saturation, etc), and that the Nikon software will utilize the camera settings in the NEF file during the conversion process. I also understand that the NEF file has an embedded JPEG for thumbnail and preview, and this embedded JPEG is processed in the camera using the in camera settings. So, if Aperture was able to automatically compare the embedded JPEG to the raw NEF image, it could then create, or reverse engineer the conversion settings to match all of the in camera settings. Maybe this has been talked about before, I don't know. Does anyone else have and idea about this? Thanks
-Eric

Oh..OK I'm glad there's been talk about this. Maybe this would be a cool feature for Apple to put into future Aperture technology.
-e

Nikon D200 and NEF in iPhoto

I have a Nikon D200 which I recently upgraded from a D100. iPhoto imported the Raw NEF files from the D100 no probs. It refuses to import the D200 NEF files for some reason, giving error messages when I try.
Could the NEF files be different on the D200. Will I need to wait for a iPhoto update to cure this or is there something wrong?

Hi folks,
I too just got a D200. iPhoto does recognize the camera when I plug it in but it only imports the jpg's
I just installed Photoshop Elements 4.0 and it has a terrific RAW Plugin that takes the files in perfectly. I did try the Beta Lightroom and it was a big monster on my PowerBook G4 TT 1G. I don't see using RAW NEF files as-is anyway so I will always bring them into PS Elements for editing anyway. If you use the power of the settings on the D200 you won't have to do much editing anyway; esp. if you are more of a point-n-shoot photographer - the D200's so **** good you don't really need to shoot in RAW. If you do a lot of "darkroom" work then you cannot beat a D200 raw file.
Personally, I cannot see investing in Aperture just yet. I recommend PS Elements as an inexpensive bridge. Speaking of Bridge - PS Elements has an application called Bridge that is sort of a file manager; its useful in that it gives you info on the pictures as you browse but not as comprehensive as the iPhoto library.
I hope Apple supports our D200 Raw files soon, if for nothing else as the great catalog it is.

Help for PSE 9 and NEF files

I have PSE 9 with camera raw 6.5, running Windows 7. I shoot on a Cannon and regularly process CR2 files. Now I'm trying to process NEF files from my sister's Nikon (not sure which, probably D90), but PSE says "Cannot open because it is the wrong type of file." They are definitely NEF files, and she herself is able to process her own files (obviously) on whatever version of PS she has (not Elements). Can anyone shed some light? I did a complete update and computer restart an hour ago...no dice.

You need to be sure which nikon camera, because although they all (most) are NEF files, they might require different versions of camera raw than the 6.5 you have in pse 9.
(pse 9 can only use up to camera 6.5)
Here's a list of cameras and the minimum required version of camera raw:
http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

Aperture confuses orf and nef and avi raw files. Suggestions on what to do?

Just used a new Olympus E-M5 in Italy and Germany, after many years of using Nikon products, most recently a D700 with fast glass. I have also used Aperture from version 1.0. Olympus RAW file format is .ORF. As I have uploaded the images into Aperture from the SD cards, I have just found that on one card about 100 files are mis-identified in Aperture's import window as either .NEF or .AVI files, rather than the .ORF files that they are. They are identified as .ORF files on the card itself.
I have not yet imported them and wondered if anyone has any thoughts about the wisdom of: (1) uploading them as they are, as the images seem to be fine; (2) batch changing the file extension to .ORF once they have been imported; (3) trying some variant of drag and drop, or moving the files to a new folder and importing from there; (4) something totally different and better.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
P.S. For those of you tired of tugging around big bodies and fast (and heavy) glass, the move to the E-M5 has been wonderful. Great Zeiss and Leica lenses are available (and much lighter!) and the images are magnificent, though smaller, in the 4/3 format.

How are you imorting from your Olympus? Directly from the camera or from a card reader? With some cameras the results can be different, if imported directly from the camea. If possible, use a card reader.
My D700 used compact flash, so this SD card has never been in a Nikon camera;
That is not what I meant - I thought that maybe this particular card has a corrupted filesystem and needs reformatting. Can you check with a different card, if all is o.k. for newer photos?
Do you have any thoughts about changing the file extension from .NEF to .ORF?
If it are truely .ORF files, it should not matter, how you call the file. But you need to do it before importing to Aperture. Afterwards renaming may cause Aperture to lose the connection between master and version.
I just made the following test: I renamed a Canon raw file (".CR2") to Nikon raw (".NEF") in the Finder and reimported the renamed file. In spite of the misleading ,NEF extension, Aperture recognized the file by its attributes as a Canon Raw, as this screenshot ist showing, because of the EXIF, also when I renamed the file to "-ORF"- And the "Raw Fine Tuning" brick shows clearly, that independent of the file name extension the correct raw develepment, that for the Canon EOS will be used.
But the Finder will show the "Kind" of the "NEF" file as "Nikon Electronic Format". So if it bothers you, rename the file.
Have you by any chance set a file renaming preset in the "Import" panel? HAve a look at the "Rename Files" brick in the "Import" panel and check the preset, that is used by going to "Edit".
Regards
Léonie

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