LR DAM vs Aperture DAM

Everything I've read so far says that Aperture has better DAM features than LR. Now that LR v1.0 is set, is this still the case? What does Aperture have for DAM that LR doesn't?

A few comments about Aperture...
Count me as one of those that prefer managed libraries. I really don't see the disadvantage vis-a-vis managing pictures in the browser or finder, unless one has been doing that for many years and doesn't want to switch. And the option has been in Aperture for almost 6 months now. I think having the option is a wonderful thing, however.
Also, the folder structure in Aperture is incredibly straightforward. Blue folders sit at the top of your library hierarchy, and can contain projects (and more blue folders). So an example might be 3 blue folders that will contain all of your Family, Personal and Client projects. then you might have another layer of folders in your client folders for each client (Ford, BMW and Porsche). And every time you do a job for Ford, you create a new project in the Ford folder. If you want to see every photo you have ever done for Ford at once, just click on the Ford folder. If you just want photos from a specific assignment with Ford, just click on that project. In any event, the hierarchy is the same (to me) as if I was managing them in the browser or finder, except now I can access and sort them as I need them.
Brown folders only reside in projects - a way of grouping photos or versions of photos within a project. Very handy (think for publishing different web sites or making different books from the same project. Clients frequently want to see different things.
Honestly, its nothing to get confused about. If you prefer, ignore the color - it would not matter if Apple had used only one color or gave Aperture the ability to change the colors. It just supposed to be helpful, like assigning color labels to folders you managed in the finder or browser. I never really paid attention to it until someone mentioned it a few weeks ago, and I have been happily using folders for over a year.
In any event, count me as one who is happy these apps exist - DAM was a bear for photography before they arrived. Whichever one you choose, it is a monumental step forward in my view.

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http://dev.day.com/docs/en/cq/current/dam/extending-cq-dam-search.html
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Apple is right to let Aperture go

After at first being a little surprised at Aperture’s demise it occurred to me that Apple is right to do this. Continuing to develop an app with small market share on an operating system with small market share makes little sense. It is better for them to admit defeat and try something better then continuing to go down the wrong path.
The technology landscape has changed a lot since 2005 when Aperture 1.0 came out. There are different ways to access files such as sandboxing and iCloud drive. These technologies will become an important way to get photos between a Mac and an iOS device. Tagging files in Aperture was helpful but relying on the tagging system built into the OS would be a much better solution (someone else just mentioned this recently and I strongly agree.) If a new pro photo app made it’s tags available to the Finder and Spotlight those tags should show up along side similarly tagged files that were created in other programs.
Also Aperture’s competition from Adobe is fundamentally flawed. An all new pro app could address the problems that Adobe’s photography apps have. Anyone who has used Adobe’s solutions should be well aware of their shortcomings.
1. Photoshop, which came into being in the 1980s, was not built around technology like raw and therefore requires a rather clumsy workflow.
2. When a document gets exported to Photoshop the user is presented with a confusing array of choices as to how that photograph should be handled. Each option with it’s own series of advantages and drawbacks.
When a photo gets brought back into LR after being edited in PS it creates a new copy. If that photo then gets edit a second and third time it just keeps creating more copies of the image. The same problem can be said of adobe camera raw.
4. I always thought it was a little odd that you have to export an image from LR in order to use it in another app. App’s like LR, Aperture, and Photos are file navigation programs so why do I need to bring a photo from one navigation program (Lightroom) into another navigation program (the Finder) in order to work with it? Yes, I realize that at times you may need a smaller resolution file of an image like for a webpage but why can’t I just make a smaller version from within the photo navigation program and keep the images all in the same app? Doesn’t make sense to me.
It doesn’t have to be this way. Modern apps like Pixelmator are similar to PS except they can handle raw directly from within the app. It seems like it would be possible to team up with Pixelmator so that a raw photo could go between the two apps while keeping all their settings in tact and not requiring users to make unnecessary duplicates of exported files. For an example you could change the brightness in Apple’s Pro app and then it would still stay at the same setting in Pixelmator. And then if you changed the brightness again in Pixelmator the adjustment bar setting would be brought over to Apple’s Photos.
Since Pixelmator didn’t exist when Aperture 1.0 came out the two companies were not able to unify their two products. When you start over with a new product considerations like this can be taken into account. One of the things I hate about Adobe’s photo apps is the way that a lot of modern technology like raw feels very tacked on (because it is.)

Well there are standards and they are the IPTC/exif metadata. Across all OSes. And even after Apple adopted Mavericks tags it still uses keywords in its photo applications. And no mav tags in iOS either (but you CAN read IPTC/exif data in photos in iOS). Tags are in extended attributes, and hence may be inaccessible in another filesystem.Even Apple Mail doesn't use them. You have to put the tag in the form of x-tag or something into the header info (BTW, if you like tags, as I do, check out MailTags. It does this and more).
If you photo apps don't read standard IPTC/exif data something is seriously wrong. Also you don't have to dig through hundreds of criteria to search for photo metadata. The stuff is already indexed; the categories like aperture, caption, etc are ways to narrow searches. All your LR keywords would be in the Spotlight index, assuming you enable Spotlight on the volumes where they reside, and that you wrote the keyword metadata to the files.
I think you have a stronger point re tagging/keywording in regards to XMP sidecars. Yet another area for improvement. If you add keywords to a RAW in Aperture or LR they are not gonna write that keyword to the RAW unless you apply some force. The standard way of doing that is by using XMP sidecar files. And short answer is that for some Spotlight indexes the XMPs via the rich text mdimporter; for some this means modifying that same importer. In either case, if Spotlight finds the keyword it can only point you to the sidecar, not the companion RAW. Since a tag is in the extended attributes, it sorta isn't in the RAW, but Spotlight would send you to the RAW if it were tagged. So allowing THAT kind of tagging in Aperture, LR or whatever would be great IMHO.
And I'd like to ADD tags from Aperture. But I'd always want it to be in addition to photo keywords and other metadata. Just like captions, filenames, and other stuff is separate. I can still search for them at the same time if I want. Or ignore them. And you may already have the "wedding" problem: that word may in the content of files, or in a filename, or in an email header, or a web url, or whatever. Even without photo metadata you sometimes have to tell Spotlight to ONLY search tags and ignore other criteria.
Since you like tags, check out Leap. I use it to keep lots of stuff together that have tags and keywords, and other searchable attributes. Even email. All in one place. And HoudahSpot; it has templates you can set up for just photos and it displays all the photo metadata in one panel.
And although I'd like to see it happen, non-destructive editing can be a problem because edits have to be stored somewhere. A universal format would be cool, but we'll see. Editors like Pixelmator are different tools than DAMs like Aperture, even though they both can say crop or change contrast. You'll find tons of photographers who never use PS, and tons of graphic artists who never use Aperture. Depends on the focus of your work. Even the system wide versioning Apple introduced for stuff like Pages or Text Edit hasn't been universally loved. And BTW, not sure Pixelmator doesn't view Apple as a competitor. Sure, Apple may provide them with some cool tools to sell more Pixelmators...or may develop an application that'll make Pixelmator disappear. And Filemaker is an interesting example: Apple formed Claris, which bought whatever FM was at that point (from MS?). Eventually Apple brought stuff from Claris back in (AW?), and left FM with Claris, which changed its name. Maybe they should Aperture OUT to Pixelmator I'd LOVE that. Shoot, given Apple's assets they could send it to 'em free.
And sorry Frank, I shoulda been more specific. I meant "in Aperture" as in the program itself, not a media browser like what you show (and basically iMedia Browser is the same thing, but with LR catalogs in addition to Aperture or iPhoto or file folders).

Aperture masters and metadata with other DAMs?

OK, after the recent lack of an announcement about Aperture updates or revisions at PMA I'm evaluating other DAMS: Bridge, Lightroom, iView (am I missing any other good ones?)
(Off Topic: Unlike many it's not the unsupported RAW issue that has me upset, rather it's the way that features that have been in the program since v1.0 still don't operate smoothly or slow down for no good reason. Why does doing a "Select All" on my 32K image library take 15-minutes?)
I exported a batch of masters with .xmp sidecar files yesterday. While some of my IPTC metadata got placed in the sidecar files some didn't. Particularly troubling was the fact that ratings didn't appear in Lightroom.
I'm looking for suggestions on getting masters out of Aperture in a way that preserves as much metadata as possible.
Thomas

You don't mention the file types - that's important. Ratings will be carried across if they belong to raw files - they get into the xap:photoshop area of the xmp sidecar file. Tested and verified.
JPEGs and other publicly-documented file types have to be treated separately. Aperture exports an xmp file, but Lightroom and other Adobe applications expect the metadata to be in the file itself, not in a sidecar. So Lightroom will not read the metadata - including ratings - in xmps exported for these file types. You could add them as temporary keywords.
It's also possible to use iView as a go between. Import the export files into iIVew, which can read sidecars for jpegs. Then use Sync in iView to write the metadata into the file.
You can also use the Annoture plug in. Add all your files to iView, then run Annoture. It copies the metadata into iView. Again you can then sync into the files.
There is also an Aperture plugin somewhere for exporting files as DNGs.
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Wie kann ich mit Aperture 3 und OSX10.6.8 die IPTC Daten in das Originalbild schreiben damit die xmp Dateien nicht mehr benötigt werden

Folgendes Problem, über einen GPS Logger habe ich meinen Canon RAW-Daten eine xmp Datei hinzugefügt. Nun habe ich mit Aperture 3 die RAW Daten geöffnet und sehe die Ortsangaben der xmp Datei. Diese möchte ich nun aber in die RAW Datei verankern ( IPTC Daten in Original schreiben), damit die extra xmp Dateien nicht mehr benötigt werden und ich mit anderen Programmen die Ortsdaten aus den RAW Dateien lesen kann. Es geht darum, dass der Canon RAW Konverter (Digital Photo Professional) diese Angaben dann auch lesen kann und die dann umgerechneten TIF Bilder diese Ortsangaben auch enthalten. Ich versuche es, aber es will einfach nicht gehen.
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Hallo PitOMally,
Aperture bietet wenig Möglichkeiten den Raw Daten IPTC zuzufügen, da das raw format kameraspezifisch ist.
Wenn Du das Metadatenmenue verwendest -
Metadata -> Write IPTC Metadata to Master (im deutschen Menu heißt das vermutlich: Schreibe IPTC Metadata in den Masterfile o.ä.)
dann erzeugt Aperture eine Kopie des Raw-Masterfiles als Tiff-file in der Library, die ziemlich viel Speicher frisst, aber die IPTC tags enthält.
Ansonsten ist die einzige Möglichkeit, beim Export
File -> Export -> Master
wieder einen Sidecar file auszugeben, aber den hast Du ja schon.
Unabhängig von Aperture kann man versuchen mit exiftool, Automator oder AppleScript diese tags zu setzen, wenn man mit diesen Werkzeugen vertraut ist.
Hummel Hummel aus Hamburg
Léonie

Is there a way to transfer all my old files in an USB hard drives to a larger thunderbolt connected hard drive through Aperture so it acts as the DAM?

I just got the 27" iMac but I don't want to burden it with all my photo files which are presently on 2 external HDs (USB 2.0 but one has FW800). I plan to transfer all these files to a new 4Tb HD via thunderbolt which will be my new working HD. Then I will put the old HDs in a an off site place for security. I want to access all the files by letting Aperture act as the digital asset manager. What is the fastest way to accomplish this?

I think the best place to ask this question would be in the Aperture forum, as they would know what you'd need to change in Aperture to deal with the moves.
Here's a link for you:
https://discussions.apple.com/community/professional_applications/aperture?view= discussions

DAM I need to evolve (Lightroom vs Aperture)

I have been quite reluctant to change my photo workflow due to my hardware limitations, but now that Im getting a new Macbook Pro new doors are opening for me. So, Id like to change from my current workflow into Lightroom or Aperture. I have looked quite heavily into Aperture, but wanted to make sure I cover all the basis before choosing a solution and who better than Lightroom users to comment on Lightroom!
My Current Workflow:
Ok, my current workflow revolved around using iView Media Pro to sort, catalog, and caption images. I then use Photoshop to adjust and batch/export images for clients. I use the finder to download CF cards (just drag them to folders organized on the hard drive). I then import those folders into an iView catalog. Oh yeah, Im using iView Media Pro v1.5.7 (really old one) which is super fast and ignores all the RAW files (which for me was a benefit). Once inside iView I used the Batch Rename feature to change the file names... I remove the camera specific tag (in my case LG4Y) and replace it with the shooting date and a card number (20081025_1).
I then go through the photos and tag the keepers (I give them a color label). After I have sorted through the images I copy the tagged images to another folder on my computer for additional processing (this is once place the non-destructive adjustments will be great). I then batch run a photoshop action (scale, sharpen, etc.) on this folder. Once the action has been run, I create a second iView catalog with only the keeper images.
In this second iView catalog I will do my captioning. One of the features that I really liked at iView was the ability to create custom metadata fields (ex. Race Series, Track, Driver, Team, Car, Number, etc.). In the number field I put the car numbers for each photo. I then sort the photos by number and batch caption all of the photos for a given car with the driver, team, etc. at one time. These captions are then exported to an Excel file for importing into a web database.
Once the weekend is over I move the original files from my laptop to a desktop/server. One of the nice things about iView is the ability to search the catalogs without the associated images needing to be on the computer.
Things I need:
1. File importing and management: Im planning on using the software to import the photos from CF cards. I would like to rename the files on import (so need the ability to replace LG4Y something I enter for each card). I also plan on letting the software manage the images, but will also need to move the photos off of my laptop and onto my desktop/server. I plan on using the laptop for the main source for the library and only use the desktop for storage.
2. Image sorting and ranking: I think both pieces of software have what I need here. I do welcome comparisons in this are if people have them. Are both programs equally capable and speedy at the process?
3. Metadata: This is the most time consuming part of my current workflow. Unfortunately, because the majority of the captions are image specific I cant just batch caption on import. I really need the ability to create custom metadata fields. If these fields can be embedded into the images (or included in sidecar files) all the better. I also need the ability to quickly sort/search by these custom fields so I can add fill-in the other fields. Next, I need to be able to paste the fields across multiple selected images. Lastly, I need to be able to export the metadata into an txt/Excel file for integration with a web database.
4. Any other really cool things that I should be using or doing differently? So often I get close-minded on what Ive been doing... and dont see other things that I could be doing.
Wow, if you made it this far I give you a round of applause! I am planning on using both the trials, so should get a feel for both pieces of software. Thank you all for info.
-Todd...

1. Both programs do this fine. They both have elaborate rename tools that you can already apply at import or after import. Aperture hides the actual file structure a little more but can be used in the same way. They have more of a "iTunes"-like approach to file organization. I'd also point you towards Bridge, which is part of Adobe's creative Suite and does file organization more like a file browser than a database as both Aperture and Lightroom do.
2. They are both quite good by now. The latest version of Aperture has an amazing quick browse method for very quick initial selection that has to be seen to be believed. It uses the previews in the RAW file or the previews you have generated and just flies through. In my opinion, Lightroom is slightly more flexible in general.
3. Very comparable. I love Lightroom's spray paint for metadata, but Aperture is quite comparable. However exporting the files for external integration will be tough. There is a great plugin for Lightroom called
LR/transporter that will do this, or you can use database tools on your database file, but neither program does this natively.
4. If you go for either of these programs you might want to give up on trying to control the filenames/locations etc. too much. Just let the programs take care of it and use collections/projects and metadata integrated with searches to organize your files, just like you would in iTunes. This is a new paradigm for lots of people but it is very liberating and far more flexible than a harddisk/folder based organization paradigm.

Aperture/Diashow mit Musik: Wie kann ich eine Diashow auf eine DVD brennen, damit man diese auf einem PC oder Beamer präsentieren kann ?

Ich finde nirgendwo einen Hinweis, wie ich eine Diashow auf Aperture auf eind CD/DVD brennen kann. Es muss doch möglich sein, denn wenn ich eine Show vor Publikum präsentieren will mit einem Beamer, kann ich schlecht meinen Mac mitnehmen. (Ich habe ja keinen Laptop,nur einen iPad mini).
Danke für detaillierte Infon

Es muss doch möglich sein, denn wenn ich eine Show vor Publikum präsentieren will mit einem Beamer, kann ich schlecht meinen Mac mitnehmen. (Ich habe ja keinen Laptop,nur einen iPad mini).
Danke für detaillierte Infon
Und wie soll das iPad die DVD abspielen?
Was für eine Art von DVD benötigen Sie? Eine Video DVD, die in einem Videoplayer abgespielt werden kann oder eine Daten DVD, die ein Video oder eine Folge von Bildern enhält?
Um eine Video DVD zu machen, müssen Sie die Diaschau als ein Video von Aperture exportieren, und dann ein Programm aufrufen, das daraus eine Video DVD brennt. Leider kann das keins der Standardprogramme auf dem Mac mehr, seit iDVD nicht mehr unterstützt wird. SIe benötigen Zusatzprogramme wie Toast oder das kostenlose simplyburns:
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19778/simplyburns
Mehr Vorschläge finden Sie hier in Karsten Schlüter's User Tip:
Why is there no iDVD on my new Mac?
Grüße
Léonie

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Weighing my options, trying to reach a final decision on what to do next.
My Iphoto libraries are 350 GB I am ready for new editing tools. I want to have an organized library and when I return to my photos I need to be productive with my time.
I have lots of slide shows to convert; cannot use Iphoto Library Manager
What do I need to manage as my image files double and triple in size each year?
IS there a Database that I should be using for photos or should I consider a web service for these photos, (helpful for storage, back ups) and then work on small libraries as projects?
Does Aperture’s library manager handle and organize these libraries well, and I can remain productive? If so it seems from my online research Aperture is easy to use and convert and begin organizing existing libraries (just need a sanity check).
If not what are other choices.
I am moving on with editing tools my choices are, Aperture, Photoshop$$, or Adobe Light Room.
Need to solve the photo organization, storage, backup and be certain the size of the library or project I am working on does not bog down the tools I choose.
Thanks in advance for our help!

First let me state that what you are considering is an apples to oranges comparison.
Both Aperture and Lightroom are DAM applications where DAM stands for Digital Asset Management. These applications provide a database for the storage of your photos.
Photoshop is not. It is a photographic editor.
Personally I find Aperture to be perfectly fine for all of my photographic needs. I have a library of about 260 GB. I experience no problems with it all.
Allan

Disorganized library - help with how to clean up?

Hi guys,
My library is an absolute mess. I have up to five duplicates of a given file, each of which are somehow at different sizes, and all my 50GB of files are spread out over somewhere between 4-6 huge and horrendously disorganized primary folders. Its mostly the result of 3 years of general disorganization, and more so somehow from importing and exporting libraries back and forth between LR and Aperture when I had no idea what I was doing with either program. Then I cant make stacks or get much done at all because all these images are in totally different folders!
But, I have a free external hard drive that I can export and import back and forth to in order to get this mess under control. The question is, how should I do it? How do I export my entire library correctly?
I dont yet know the difference between catalogs, libraries, etc. It seems as though I should export my library to the other hard drive as copied files, erase the original ones, and then re-import the copied files from the hard drive, while making sure it doesnt import thumbnails, suspected duplicates, etc. but Im not confident enough with the program to do so yet!
If anyone could guide me a bit, Id very much appreciate.
Thanks!
Alec

Alec-
You're not alone! Many of us have had to, or are in the middle of, organizing ourselves! It's a DAM headache! DAM, by the way, referring to Digital Asset Management, a term you might want to research.
I would start by backing up and asking yourself how do you want your system to look in the long term: how you want your library structured, and, importantly, how you want your library backed up. If you can come up with a good plan, there's nothing wrong with starting "from scratch", creating a new structure and moving your files into that new structure. While you're at it, create a backup strategy using at the minimum an external hard drive and DVD's so that as you populate your system you also protect your files from a system crash. Hard drives and DVD burners are cheap these days, compared to losing ~50GB of images!
People take different approaches to structuring their file systems and their libraries: there is not a "best" way. The important thing to me is to set up my folders in a way that I can eliminate guess work as much as possible. But as I do this I also make plenty use of Lightroom's collections and keywords. My pictures get cross-referenced in this way so that I can find them from several directions.
With Lightroom, you can export and re-import, or you can move files and folders from one location or disk to another. With your free hard drive, once you settle on a long-term file structure, you need a way to "point" LR to your new drive: try right-clicking on an existing folder and choosing Show in Explorer, then cutting and pasting it into the new drive and file system. When you close the explorer the folder in LR should show up in red as missing; you then right-click the folder and choose the option to locate the missing folder, then navigate to your new location.
Lightroom doesn't have a way of managing duplicates. If you try to import a duplicate it by default declines, although you can tell it to show them in the library anyway. If you have duplicates on your system you have to come up with your own method of finding them and dealing with them. If you have edited versions of a file, though, Lightroom can manage them.
Hope some of this helps,
Tony

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If I save an InDesign file on my local hard drive, and put some pictures into that layout, I'm able to see placed documents in Adobe Bridge, indicated with a small chain symbol.
I'm also having a preview of my InDesign file in Bridge, and can flip through all pages of InDesign file.
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Damir Vadas wrote:
If I have Before header Application level process (with id=5) and page Before header process (with id=5), which one will execute first?
Is there any relation based on id or there is other logic? I want to understand general order of execution in the same area without manual experimenting and debugging data in both process?If by "id" you mean "sequence" then yes, this determines the order. The order may not be consistent for components with the same sequence, so the best practice is to be explicit and give them different sequence values to produce the order you want.
Use Utilities > Page Events to see the order of component rendering and processing in the builder.

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