LR2 Question syncing keywords and/or Metadata.

I am shooting RAW and import the files into my catalog as DNG.
After adding keywords and changing metadata to all the DNG files I would like to apply those changes back to my original RAW files.
Can I do that easily? Maybe adding XMP files to the same directories as the original RAW files?
Once I have the RAW files tagged with the same keywords and metadata I plan to archive them and delete from my disk.
Thank you,

For your first question - You can select the folder containing the files then use the Save Metadata command from Folder panel context menu (see attached screen shot). Alternatively, you can select the actual files then use Save Metadata to file command (Ctrl/Cmd+S). This latter method is much slower.
For you second question - not using your current workflow. That said, if you changed your workflow slightly it's possible. To do it you ned to import your raw files without converting to DNG. Next, you apply keywords, metadata, etc. then use method described above for saving back to file (this creates the XMP sidecars). Now select all of the images in Grid view and convert the raw files to DNG (Convert to DNG from Library menu).
The final step would be to archive the raws plus XMP sidecars, this will need to be done outside of Lightroom.

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John,
Thanks for your quick response. Below is the script I just modified this morning. When looking in the keyword field, it returns the word "undefined" for all records.
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EXIF Properties (exif,http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/)
- exif:Flash
- exif:Fired: True
====================================
Any luck on determining how to obtain file size.
Again thank you so much for supporting me on my project,
Arnold
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#target bridge
if (BridgeTalk.appName == "bridge")
// Let's create our menu
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try
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varLens = md.Lens + "\",\"" ;
md.namespace = "http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/";
vartitle = md.title + "\",\"" + md.description + "\",\"" ;
md.namespace = "http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/mm/"
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md.namespace = "http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/"
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md.namespace = "http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/"
varOrientation = md.Orientation + "\",\"" + md.ImageWidth + "\",\"" + md.ImageLength + "\",\"" ;
md.namespace = "http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/"
varRating = md.Rating + "\",\"" + md.Label ;
md.namespace = "http://ns.adobe.com/photoshop/1.0/";
varKeywords = ListKeywords(md) + "\",\"" ;
function ListKeywords(md)
var varKeywords = "" ;
for (var i = 0; i < md.Keywords.length; ++i) { varKeywords = varKeywords + md.Keywords[i] + ", "; } //strip off final comma and space varKeywords = varKeywords.substring( 0, varKeywords.length-2);
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==============================

Sync keywords?

Hello,
I am new to LR. I believe this is part of the point, but I want to be certain before I undertake the next step of my project.
I have just created a catalog with all of my work over the past 25+ years. The photos themselves are located on an external drive (actually 3 of 'em, but I only will use this drive as my master). I used the Standard Build in my catalog creating a 25gb preview file, which I anticipated after trying different options. However, I have to now apply keywords to this mountain of images.
My first and most important question is this: I am about to travel and while I can work on the computer, attaching the external drive would be cumbersome on a plane. If I apply keywords to the catalog files, will those keywords then be synced to the images on the hard drive when I reconnect the drive to Lightroom?
and that raises a second question: Are the keywords then embedded in the images so that if I create a new catalog on a second computer with the same images now copied from the external drive to that computer, when I create the catalog, will the keywords appear in the new catalog?
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"If I apply keywords to the catalog files, will those keywords then be synced to the images on the hard drive when I reconnect the drive to Lightroom?"
Yes.
"Are the keywords then embedded in the images so that if I create a new catalog on a second computer with the same images now copied from the external drive to that computer, when I create the catalog, will the keywords appear in the new catalog?"
No. All metadata including keywords is stored in the catalogue (a database) in which you entered it. However, if you want to embed or write the metadata into the images, you need to tell Lightroom to do it - use Metadata > Save Metadata. This includes all IPTC metadata including keywords, and adjustment metadata, but there are things it doesn't include (flags, stacks, history steps...).
But if you want to create a new catalogue on another computer, with the same images, the best way would be to copy the catalogue from the first computer or use options such as File > Export as Catalog which clones the catalogue.
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OT

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I have hundreds of keywords and metadata including Ratings and Labels using CS4 and Bridge CS4.
It is time to replace my PPC Mac with a new Intel Mac.
I am going to install CS6 on the new Intel Mac without installing CS4.
By default.... this eliminates ALL keywords and ratings and labels from my Bridge browser. The keywords will still be present on the files but Not present in Bridge keywords list and all ratings and labels will be lost.
Making a copy of Bridge CS4 metadata to another computer is quite simple.
Simply copy All of the Bridge CS4 application support folder to the other computer.
The question then becomes.... can I aslo do this with CS6 without introducing an incompatibility?
1. incompatible due to CS6 application support.
2. incompatible due to transfer from a PPC (APM) to Intel (GUID).
This concern results from an Bridge CS4 export problem I experienced.
Bridge CS4 will export all of your keywords and you can import them from a text file but it has some odd troubles. (try it and you will see)
This does Not mean that CS6 has the same troubles.
What do I require to preserve existing metedata and keywords that exist on a PPC using CS4 and import them into CS6 using Intel?
Sound simple?
I doubt it.
The points are.
1. CS4 not installed.
2. CS4 source is PPC not Intel.
3. Ratings and Labels are metadata that Are Not part of the file metadata and unique to Bridge only.
4. Keyword Search and keyword Use requires that Bridge have keyword list, otherwise Finder is the far more useful browser and the new version of Bridge will require hours of keyword listing.
I don't want to spends hours retyping keywords lists in Bridge.

Ratings are NOT placed into the file under CS4 Bridge and neither are
Labels.
That depends on your file type and settings voor Camera Raw.
Like Curt stated usually metadata is written in to the file itself. Only Raw files can't be written to and by default they create a XMP file, also called Sidecar XMP files (and do have the same filename, only a different extension called .xmp). These files are also by default hidden in Bridge but If you use Bridge to move files they travel along with the original.
If you move or copy them using finder you have to be sure these XMP files are also copied with the originals to the new location.
Using the menu View / show hidden files should reveal the XMP files.
An other option for the Camera Raw prefs is to set metadata to the Camera Raw database instead of written to sidecar XMP files ( to my knowledge using sidecar files has been the default since about CS3).
Now here it becomes a bit tricky and I only can tell you my findings, not to be confused with true facts. (and mind you, it is at least 5 years ago I was on a PPC and not even remember which OSX 10 was able to work on it, I just present the acting of CS6 on an intel Mac Pro with OSX 10.7, but I don't believe the difference in location is that much)
Having written the Metadata to the Camera Raw Database your image settings get written to a file in the user library preferences folder called logically "Adobe Camera Raw Database". But also some info gets added to the Camera Raw Cache folder (User library / Caches/ Adobe Camera Raw) in a file called index.dat.
Also not having set metadata to xmp sidecars stores the ACR settings in a new .dat file with a unique number (not to be traced as a corresponding filename. And also the default maximum is set to 1 GB of space and when full the oldest files are overwritten with the new ones.
Personally I use converted DNG files that are capable of writing metadata to so all info and settings are in the file itself and I don't need to bother about central storage that can get lost. The downside is that changes to a DNG need to save the whole file instead of a small xmp file and probably reading cache takes more time then getting info from central storage but I like to be on the safe side and speed is not really needed to be nailed down to split seconds in my workflow.
Keywords are stored as a file in the Bridge preferences but Like Curt already stated exporting the old list first and then via the same route import again to CS6 should solve your problem and they will be back as persistent, otherwise the files in the content window show as italic and sadly enough have to be made persistent one by one with right click mouse menu, so that is not really an option for you.
Exporting the list does create a text file that can also be altered manually with a simple text app and as said, again be imported in newer versions as Curt described earlier.
Making a copy of Bridge CS4 metadata to another computer is quite simple.
Simply copy All of the Bridge CS4 application support folder to the other computer.
Well, in fact it is true to call copying this folders a simple task but replacing the existing new CS6 would not be my method. The biggest change for Bridge CS6 was the transition to 64 bit and I lack the knowledge for this but also cache format for thumbs and previews has been different for every version.
But if you have located the CS4 folder for Bridge in your PPC user library / application support / Adobe / Bridge CS4 you should find a file called 'Adobe Bridge Keywords.xml' and it is fairly safe to replace this CS4 version with the new CS6 version.
Also custom settings for the output module can be copied (however to my memory the option for custom settings in Output where introduced in CS5) and collections can be copied.
So for your keywords the copy option might work, rating and labeling for Raw files they will be read in CS6 if they are stored as XMP. ACR settings idem but CS6 ACR has a new (2012) conversion mode that has different settings that do not work with previous settings (unless you first choose to use the 2010 conversion as default Raw setting.
If it is in the Central Data Base I would start trying to replace the CS4 with the CS6 edition (after back up of existing CS6 version) and see what happens. If it works your out of trouble.
You can also open the Camera raw Database as a text file but there is a lot of data in. Maybe scripting would be able to reveal those data and transfer to XMP but you have to visit the dedicated Scripting forum for this.
And while you state to have not installed CS4 anymore it might be wise to reinstall it (but first make a proper back up of the previous mentioned folders and files to be on the save side.
This gives you the opportunity to export keywords properly and if needed you can use Show Items from subfolders option with filter and set preferences to XMP sidecar to refresh the rating and labels to those XMP files. Just an escape route that might not be as painstakingly as it looks at first sight, just use the options for Bridge to filter.

Keyword and metadata for non-image files.

Hi, everyone.
As I have started to use Bridge to browse files in my system including those that are not image files I tried to find information on how Bridge handles the assignment of keywords and metadata to these files but couldn't find anything on Adobe's site.
Considering non-image files such as PDF's, MS Office (Word, Excel), Text, HTML, and others, how does Bridge handles the assignment of metadata and keywords ? Where are they stored ? Embedded in the files themselves or in a sidecar file similar to what happens to RAW image files ?
I've read some posts from other users about problems with this. Some report that they are able to assign keywords but these aren't maintained once the file is re-saved.
Is there a manual on Adobe's site that covers the handling of keywords and metadata in Bridge ?
TIA,
Joe

Joe,
Being a digital archivist dealing primarily with pages digitized from the turn of the 20th Century for a religious sect I am highly involved in the usage of keywords. Each page of a work, be it either a volume of a newspaper or a book, contains keywords. I do not use side-car files but instead incorporate my keywords directly into the resultant TIF file.
So I used your posting to see what the answer was. To that end I am presently working on a 1922 title, Thirty-One Years of Organized Work in Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico and Louisiana by Church of the Brethren from 1891 to 1922, that will consist of slightly over 500 pages. To test your question I placed the title of the work as a keyword. I then used Bridge's find ability. It did not work.
I forgot that Bridge converts all commas into semi-colons. And changing the colons into semi-colons still returned no results. An examination of the keywords tab showed the string broken down in to sections. Searching for the longest string showed the problem. Returning to my keyowrd string I removed all instances of the semi-colons and re-searched. This resulted in a properyl found file.
So. The longest string I have tested to date is 120 characters, the title of the work minus the commas. I suspect that Curt is correct in his assumption that it is limited by the operation system. I tested this theory by incorporating a double string (without the commas) of my book's title. This was 241 characters including the space between the duplicated title. The search was successful. A triple set of the title returned no hits.
Wayne Webb

Metadata, keywords and collections

This may be a dumb question but I would like to be sure.
Is everything that I type in the metadata trough bridge and all the keywords that I assign to a file staying with that file/photo/video/photoshop etc.
So if I give that file to someone else, he opens it in bridge, he can also find it using that keyword...
Can these keywords and metadata be used by other management software?
Is it possible to share collections over LAN or internet? If we have a a lot of organized assets in one computer, everyone is using that and if one user make a collection on his computer, others can see that collection in their bridge.
Thanks for help

Boy a lot of questions!
Is everything that I type in the metadata trough bridge and all the keywords that I assign to a file staying with that file/photo/video/photoshop etc.
Keyword file is in user/app data/roaming/adobe/keywords
Can these keywords and metadata be used by other management software?
Keywords, and some metatdata, but not all, are imbedded on the file. So other software,such as Windows Explorer, can read them, even if you send the photo to someone else.
Is it possible to share collections over LAN or internet? If we have a a lot of organized assets in one computer, everyone is using that and if one user make a collection on his computer, others can see that collection in their bridge.
Collections are like a spreadsheet with the addresses of the photos on your computer. So they can not be shared by sending a collection to another. When you get into a networked situation you have lost me as I don't use them. If the other person can access the others' computer and look through thier files I guess they could.
Hope this helps.

Questions and answers on DLM, sync speed and real ...

I was confused about some DML details and posted on a BE forum (https://avatar.bethere.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43542) and got what was to me an incredibly helpful response from Tom (drsox). I thought it would be of interest to some readers here so copy it below. Once again, many thanks Tom.
1) FTTC DLM applies only between the cabinet and the modem?
>> Yes, as there isn't any broadband / data signal going anywhere further down the line to the exchange if you are on FTTC!
2) What are the different parameters that apply on this hop? I know there is a current sync speed, a current snr, a target snr and an ip profile. Anything else?
>> The IP profile isn't really related to DLM, it just "follows" your sync rate. In the past the IP profile would take up to 3 days to "follow upwards", leaving you with a high sync and awful speeds! This has been changed now on 21cn and "RE-ppp"ing (rebooting the router) would force the IP Profile to update instantly.
DLM changes the SNR target. So where BE have hard coded / set SNR targets such as 3db, 6db, 9db, 12db etc.. They only change upon user request. BT use their DLM system where line instability or line error counts are collected and analysed, the SNR target and interleaving settings are then modified in increments to try and stabilise the line.
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>> Yes, if you resync / power cycle your router multiple times in a day it is likely to try and "combat the line errors" and reduce your sync rate by increasing the SNR and / or interleaving on the line.
6) Can other connections and disconnections have the same effect? For example, if I reboot the router (where this is separate from the modem)? Or use the router interface to disconnect/reconnect the broadband?
>> PPP drops (router reboots while leaving the BT Openreach VDSL modem on and connected) won't affect DLM. The IP profile will match your sync rate upon reconnection of the PPP session.
7) If you have a low ip profile, does this mean that the sync is limited to the ip profile?
>> Other way around, if you have a low sync rate then the IP profile will match the sync rate. If you get an awful sync rate and the IP profile follows downwards, then you resync higher but the router "keeps the PPP session open" (which is possible if you resync quick enough) then your IP profile will stay low, even though the sync is high. Until you reboot your router or disconnect and reconnect the PPP session.
8) Can the sync rate change dynamically without a reconnection? If the ip profile gradually rises, will the cabinet force a resync to make sure the customer is actually getting the benefit of the higher ip profile, or must the user intervene with a modem resync?
>> See above - Sync can rise without affecting the IP Profile and the cabinet does not force a RE-PPP.
8) As I understand it, if the ip profile gets stupidly low for some reason, it can only be reset by BT wholesale? This will only be done after a visit to your home and a telephone call from the engineer to the BT wholesale central admin?
>> Mixed reports plus I don't think people understand the difference between sync speeds, line faults, the delay in DLM increasing sync after a fault.. I expect half the reports on the BT forum are not related to a stuck BRAS / IP profile. It is possible for the ISP or a BT engineer to reset the IP profile and possibly DLM training.
9) (8) This applies to all ISPs using BT Wholesale: some may be more willing to force this process to happen on behalf of their customers, but none can cirumvent it?
>> GEA providers (I believe) still have DLM but don't have BRAS / IP profiles unless they implement their own.
10) Who sets the snr? As I understand it, the customer has no direct control. Is this different for different ISPs?
>> Mixed information again, I believe that BT Wholesale give providers DLM override controls and SNR settings but none? (or few) ISPs use this system.
11) Real download/upload speeds are physically limited by the sync rate. They are also naturally limited by local limitations (such as wireless connections), server limitations, and congestion at various points along the route? Any more? The congestion along the route will vary bewteen ISPs as they use different routes with different capabilitues.
>> It is possible for BTs regional or local cabinet network to become congested. Supposedly the minimum speed you should achieve over the BT part of the network is 15mbps. ISPs such as Plusnet, BT etc.. then layer their own "discriminatory" traffic management on top of that (ie, slow down torrents etc.).
12) Real speeds are 'unnaturally' limited by throttling. This will also vary from ISP to ISP. Sky claims to have none, and BT none except for p2p. PlusNet and John Lewis have significant (but well explained)throttling. All the more expensive operators have none.
>> What you said
13) The ip profile affects the sync rate, and therefore actual speeds. Does the ip profile effect actual speeds in any other way?
>> Not quite right. The IP profile directly affects the speeds you can achieve but the sync rate affects the IP profile. The sync rate is determined by the stability and quality of your line and what DLM thinks it can cope with.
14) Many people (including AndrueC above) report real speeds from speedtests that are consistent and not close to the ip profile. These can't be explained by congestion (that would make them inconsistent). They can't be explained by server limitations, as they are consistent accross servers and the same servers give better speeds to other people. They can't be explained by local limitations, too many people claim sudden drops where the local conditions have not changed. They should not be able to be explained by throttling, as they as seen for many ISPs who do not throttle (I don't hold with the ISP lying theory here). What other factors are there that can explain these cases?
>> AndrueC and some other Sky customers have strange symptoms where speeds are around 20mbps rather than the full sync speed. The only logical explanation is either local cabinet congestion, contention between BT and the provider's network (not enough investment by the provider) or artificial traffic management on the providers side. It is also possible that the router that the customer has attached to their line is unsuitable for the higher speeds. For example an old ethernet router may only be able to cope with 20 or 30mbps! A friend of mine has a TP-Link ethernet router running Tomato on a BT 80mbps service but the TP-Link's CPU limitation causes his service to only perform at around 68mbps; he has a replacement router on order. (Obviously wifi will significantly reduce performance).
15) If you get a stupidly low ip profile, how long can you except it to take before it climbs to something more reasonable? (eg in my particular case, my profile is currently around 15Mb, and from BT service line tests should be around 58Mb). And the classic question, is it best to power cycle the modem (1) never, (2) occasionally (how often) or (3) never if at all possible? Mine did jump from 3.5Mb to 15Mb on one power cycle. Was that just coincidence?
>> My FTTC line took about 6 to 7 days to go from 40mbps to 80mbps after a line fault. It is possible that your 3.5mbps to 15mbps increase was the "re-ppp" affecting the BRAS profile and that your sync had slowly been increasing over time.

what a waste of money sending an engineer to "fix a fault" which does not exist. Precisely.
In my original BE post to which Tom so helpfully responded, I began: It seems to me that DLM is an excellent concept with a highly flawed implementation, both technically and administratively. I think that sending out an engineer to fix an obviously flawed profile is the main example of an adminastrative flaw. I understand (I can't remember source, maybe Tom again) that they are sometimes relaxing the requirement for a visit before reset.
Maybe the DLM system is too keen on stability vs speed. This will keep complaints down from many people: most users won't notice speed too much as long as it is reasonable, but will be upset if their Skype calls and browsing are being interrupted too often.
However, it does lead to complaints from people who notice the drops after an incidence (as in your thread that has drawn lots of interest), or who only get 50 instead of 60. The main technical flaw is that DLM can so easily be confused by drops from loss of power, too much modem recycling, etc, and then takes so long to recover.

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