LR2 Switcher - creating adjusted versions & deleting "original" version

Hi there
I have been running A2.1.2 and LR2.1 in parallel for a couple of weeks to see which I prefer (so far I have been using LR2 almost exclusively) and despite reading the Aperture manual and searching this forum I am still not sure if I have this right...
I typically perform a variety of minor adjustments (levels, WB, etc.) to my NEF images. In LR2 these adjustments are applied to my NEF image itself and no separate version is created. I understand that in A2.1.2, applying adjustments creates a new version (creating a stack that I promptly close) but I would ideally delete the "original" version if I can call it that (i.e. the image thumbnail before adjustments).
I can see that I can select "Delete Version" in the Browser in grid view when I select the "original" version and I have done that so that there are no stacks in my project composed of un-adjusted images and their adjusted versions but I just wanted to check if I was doing this right or if this is horrible behaviour according to best-practice with Lightroom?
thanks in advance
Rafael

Easy solution for you, go to preferences/general and down the bottom there are three check boxes, the top one is +"create new versions when making adjustments"+, turn this one off. The adjustments are then "made" to the master.
Tony

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To anyone out there who can sort this one out, I will be forever grateful!
Here's the problem. I'll be jamming away in Aperture, adjusting photos like a madman. After adjusting a random number of photos (it usually varies between 5-30 photos or so after starting Aperture each time), the adjustments panel will no longer update when I click on a new image (i.e. it holds the info from the last image I adjusted and will continue to apply new adjustments to that last image even if another image is highlighted). If I switch to the metadata panel and then back to adjustments it will refresh itself and recognize the currently selected image (although I have to do this for EACH image I want to adjust once it starts acting up like this). The BIG problem is that even if I get the adjustments panel to recognize the selected image at this point, for EACH adjustment I apply it makes a new version of the image. For example, if I first change the contrast, it will make Version 2 of the image and select it (which is what it's supposed to do for the first adjustment, because I have "create new versions when making adjustments" checked in my preferences), but if I then make another adjustment like changing the saturation, it makes Version 3 of the image (from the master, so that only the saturation adjustment is applied and not the contrast adjustment). As you can imagine, this utterly destroys my once incredibly efficient Aperture workflow and makes it pretty much impossible to use Aperture for adjustments unless I turn off "create new versions when making adjustments" in the preferences, at which point it does seem to work again (although I've only tried it on a few images, so not 100% sure it will work properly even then). If I restart Aperture (or my computer), it will work normally again for a few pictures and then will start acting up again with the same problem.
Originally I was running into this problem on my PowerBook G4, and so I figured it was just because Aperture didn't like my wussy G4 processor and was acting up when the load got too heavy (after all, the adjustments would work fine for up to 30 images or so). However I recently purchased a sexy iMac 24" 2.8 GHz and maxed out the RAM to 4GB, but I'm still getting the same darned problem with Aperture on my iMac. Yes, I'm using the same library of photos I was using on my PowerBook G4.
This problem has been plaguing me for about 3 months now (everything else in Aperture works fine so I'm still using it to import and organize my photos, I just haven't been able to make adjustments on large groups of pictures for a while), and I've searched and searched these forums countless times to see if anyone has run into similar problems, but I've not seen a single mention of it. I've also tried EVERYTHING mentioned for similar problems (rebuilding library, vacuuming database, erasing com.apple.aperture.plist preference file, repairing permissions, reinstalling Aperture, making burnt offerings to Steve Jobs), and NOTHING is working. ARRGH!!
For those who might have some words of wisdom to offer this delighted-***-miserably frustrated Aperture user, here are a few more details about my setup:
I have a library of about 37,000 photos, the vast majority of them being RAW .CRW files from a Canon 10D. The 25GB library file is stored on my internal hard drive, and all photos are referenced from an external LaCie 500GB FireWire 400 hard drive. I have a LOT of export plug-ins installed in Aperture, but no image adjustment plugins. I have generated previews turned off for all projects. I've had the same problem on both my PowerBook G4 and new iMac 24" 2.8 GHz. One other thing worth mentioning is that instead of upgrading from 2.1 (which was already giving me this problem) to 2.1.2, I downloaded the full version of 2.1.2 and installed it. I noticed that my 2.1 Aperture.app file was less than 100MB, whereas the 2.1.2 Aperture.app file is over 300MB. Don't know if that's normal or not.
The only other thing I can think of to try at this point is to load a new library into Aperture and import a large group of pictures and make adjustments to them to potentially see if my problem is being caused by Aperture or by the library. Will probably try that tomorrow.
I would appreciate any advice or feedback anyone can offer about this nasty little problem, as it's giving me a serious hormonal imbalance.
THANKS!

Thanks for the reply RB, but my current workflow depends on me creating new versions when I make adjustments. I suppose as a temporary solution I will probably have to either turn this preference off or just be willing to constantly restart Aperture. At least I finally found another thread with the same problem, so finally I don't feel completely alone in the far reaches of the Aperture universe. For anyone who is interested, here is the link to that thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8555067
It appears this problem is closely related to the ubiquitous black viewer problem that seems to be plaguing far more users than my issue (although I've run into the black viewer problem a few times myself), as both problems force Aperture to output the following message to Console:
Main Thread Exception in Aperture: * -NSCFArray objectAtIndex:: index (1) beyond bounds (1)
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As it appears there is no proper answer to this problem at the moment, I'm gonna go ahead and mark this thread answered (and since you were kind enough to at least take the time to reply RB, you can be credited with the answer... thanks!).

How do I restore an adjusted version from Time Machine?

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-- Clean up. (Delete "Recovery", convert the recovered Project back to Referenced Masters, if you wish, etc.)
One good argument for never throwing those old USB drives away.
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Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly

One of my projects in Aperture started behaving unexpectedly yesterday and I still haven't figured out why. I was reviewing proofs with a client and we were making selections and adjustments to some of the images. We were working in a smart album that was filtered on 5-star ratings. We made a few new versions of some of these images within the smart album, made adjustments, and ultimately selected her picks by adding the keyword "pick" to her selected images. In retrospect I probably will change that flow so that when I make my original selects I will rate them as a 4-star and then up it to a 5-star when the client makes their picks.
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Dragging an image out of the project container and into an enclosed (non-smart) album does NOT automatically generate a new version of the master image local to that album; instead, the album is populated with a new reference to the original version. Dragging that same image again out of the project container - or the first album - to yet another album generates yet another reference to the same underlying version.
Edits performed in any of these containers propagate to the images in all containers (within a particular project, of course), demonstrating that each type of container holds merely a reference to the project's single original version.
The Aperture User Manual is a bit ambiguous in its description (Chapter 5 pg 113) of the distinction between "copying" and "moving" images between projects and albums; I believe that when it refers to copying versions it's really talking about copying REFERENCES to versions between various containers.
So, long story short, I don't think moving images between the various types of containers within a single project can explain your duplicated images.
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ITunes - Create MP3 Version (output destination?)

Hi. I was wondering if anyone out there knew if it was possible to utilize iTunes to create MP3 versions of m4a files, but have them placed in a specific destination?
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simmer209 wrote:
Hi. I was wondering if anyone out there knew if it was possible to utilize iTunes to create MP3 versions of m4a files, but have them placed in a specific destination?
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Meaning I would have to locate every file in order to drag them onto my player and then delete them when finished.
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Is there a better way to do this?
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Alright,   I have solved the problem.
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yeh, that would seem logical wouldn't it - to create a new version for each session... but that's not what happens.
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I have been using Aperture for many months. I'm not sure why, but I looked at my prefs the other day and the checkbox above was unchecked. Two important questions:
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Thanks in advance,
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1. It's a Preference. It should be set the way you prefer.
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The Master is never affected, just the versions.

Create new versions when making adjustments?

Hi,
What does anyone suggest this setting should be set to? It's on the Advanced Tab in Preferences.
I think it was un checked when I installed the Trial Version.
The help file stated the following:-
+Create new versions when making adjustments” checkbox: Select this checkbox to have Aperture automatically create a new version when you adjust a selected image. The adjustment is applied to the original version and the new one is left untouched.+
So when I edit an image the the software makes a copy and the original is altered? What happens if it's left un checked?
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