LR3/LR4 Develop Presets Behavior

I'm a little bit confused about LR3 Develop Presets that do not include the Process Version information when applied to an image that is in PV2012. Let's assume a Develop Preset for Clarity +25. Here are the steps and the results:
1. Image PV2012 - apply Preset - Clarity slider stays on 0 and it looks like Clarity has not been applied to the image
2. Change image to PV2010 in Camera Calibration - Clarity slider changes to +25 - Clarity is applied
3. Change image back to PV2012 - Clarity slider stays at +25 and the rest of the new PV2012 settings are applied as well
So, is this the correct behavior? Shouldn't the Preset alrady be applied in step 1 ?
What am I missing here?
If the Preset contains the PV information everyhting works "as designed" with the sliderers reverting back to PV2010 if applied to a PV2012 image.
Is the lesson here to always include PV information into any Develop Preset?
Andre

I can follow you technically. But from a user perspectice this is getting difficult to manage. How do I know which preset will work and which doesn't? Right now it seems, its trial and error. And if I switch between PV versions the setting will be applied but it won't be the same because Clarity2012 is different. Don't get me wrong, it is absolutely fine to improve image processing, but it would be nice to make these changes more obvious to the end-user who might not be so technically inclined. I could think of a little warning saying: You're trying to apply a preset setting that does not work in PV2012, or something along this line. It would be even nicer if Adobe would provide something like an Preset upgrade utility, which would help users to migrate to the new PV.
I just try to figure this out so that I know what to tell my students at the community college where I'm teaching LR and where I'll be facing these same questions.

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Import and storage of LR4 develop presets

i use iMac 27", 16GB ram and mountain lion, along with LR4.2
i have only recently begun to use develop presets, being lazy has just creeped up on me. I have 15 or 20 presets showing in my preset panel. Most are old.
i find that under app;ication/support/adobe/lightroom, that i have two folders. one called "develop presets", and one called "user presets." both contain folders of presets. some seem to be duplicates. in total, the 2 folders contain about twice as many as in the preset panels. a good number do not show in my develop preset panel.
is this as it should be? can i create subfolders under the USER PRESETS in the develop presets panels and move them to there?
this is already sounding more complicated than it should. I will read the online help again.
thanks for any suggestions in this area.
vince

thanks RIKK. i had figured that out a few minutes ago and was considering withdrawing it. it was so simple.
in any case, i am grateful for your response
vince
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Where does LR3 install develop presets?

I ask this question because, on my system, the answer is not obvious:
I have 8 catalogs. Everyone of them is configured to store presets within the catalog. When I examine the contents of the presets folders (different for every catalog) I find that only 1 catalog out of the 8 contains any items in its Develop Presets folder (other than the folder 'User Presets') and these develop presets appear to be the default ones that are shipped and installed with the product. However, all 8 of the catalogs list these default develop presets under the group 'Lightroom Presets' in the left hand panel in Develop mode.
The 'global' lightroom develop presets location, at ~user\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Develop Presets\Lightroom Presets is empty. However the parent folder (Develop Presets) does contain folders for the 3 volumes of the free OnOne PerfectPresets as well as a User Presets folder (not empty). But, those OnOne presets are available only in 1 of the 8 catalogs, and not the same catalog as that referred to above.
How do catalogs, which do not have the Lightroom default develop presets present, find them?
Why can't catalogs find the free OnOne presets which are installed at the architected system (or global) location or any of the User Presets at this location?
Finally, I do have a 'spare' Lightroom Settings folder which does not appear to be connected to any catalog: when I rename it to a garbage name I can find no immediate problem in any of my 8 catalogs. Is it safe to delete this spare Lightroom Settings folder?

XEyedBear wrote:
I have 8 catalogs. Everyone of them is configured to store presets within the catalog.
This is where I think you are misunderstanding how the "Store presets with catalog" option works. For a start, you cannot configure an individual catalog to use this option.....it is a global Lightroom preference which applies to any and every catalog on that specific system. Once you have slected that option, the effect is that Lightroom will create a "Lightroom Settings" folder in the same folder as the catalog.....so if you have 8 catalogs, and they're all in their own individual folder, you'll eventually end up with 8 x "Lightroom Settings" folders. Keep all 8 catalogs (and preview sub-folders) in the one folder, and you'll get away with just one "Lightroom Settings" folder.
A couple of other things to understand about this option:
1. On initial creation, the "Lightroom Settings" folder contains only a subset of the main settings folders contained at the default user appdata location....and all the sub-folders are initially empty. Lightroom does NOT copy any presets (Lightroom's own or your User Presets) to the equivalent sub-folder in "Lightroom Settings".
2. Furthermore, from the second that you select that option, Lightroom will no longer look at the default location for any User Presets that you had.....so the immediate effect is that the User Presets 'disappear' from the Develop Module (they haven't really been deleted, it's just that Lightroom no longer sees them).
3. When you create a new User Preset after setting that option, it will be stored in the appropriate sub-folder within the "Lightroom Settings" which is specific to the catalog in use at the time, but would not be copied to any other "Lightroom Settings" folders. Easy in that circumstance to end up with each catalog having different user presets available to it, and easy to see maybe why the OnOne presets are only available to one catalog.
4. And not all Lightroom settings are 'switched' to the "Lightroom Settings" folder, some remain in the default location.
To be honest, unless you have a really good reason to store different presets with different catalogs, I think you're making a big mistake in selecting the 'Store Presets with catalog' option in your multiple catalog situation. I did a write-up on this subject not so long ago for the folks over at Victoria's Lightroom Forums, you might find it worth a read:
http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?14169-What-is-the-purpose-of-the-quot-Store- Presets-with-Catalog-quot-option
Hope this helps....

LR4.1 preset for sharpening darkens pictures

Hello,
the Adobe presets delivered with LR4 for sharpening include a command line which forces a switch to the new process engine "2012" or ProcessVersion = "6.7". I do not understand why Adobe allows a general preset to include a process version change command.
As a result, these sharpening presets can not be used on photos from an older LR3.x catalog without affecting the exposure or brightness - if you do, the picture exposure or brightness or whatever is set to lower settings, the histogram shows a darkening of about 2/3 aperture. Unfortunately, as the exposure changes, no slider or number value of the exposure, brightness etc. do change - very inconsistent.
In case you would choose to develop an older photo in LR4.1 and first use the upate icon button right of the picture to update the photo to process version 2012, then the picture will convert without changes in exposure (to the new process version) and then, the sharpening preset will not alter the exposure.
Also, it is hard to understand that the command line in the preset has a different result compared to the update button.
Presets seem to be dependent on certain process versions. No consideration is visible in the software for upgrade of change management of presets vs. process versions. A hard switch by command line does not to the job - this command line should not be in the preset. OR - the presets have to be named "LR4.1 presets only".
I consider this behaviour to be a bug or nonconformity of the software.
Mostly confused. I will have to manage all manually, with a catalog of approx. 35.000 pictures.
Any resolution to this?
Gerd

There are a number of LR4 Develop presets That apply PV2012 without doing the develop conversion process. This sure looks like a bug to me!
I agree with Rob that there should be a "warning" popup and proper conversion if you choose to proceed.
You can submit a bug report here:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family
For now your easiest solution is to create your own develop presets, or copy LR3's presets by 'Import' into a 'New Folder' titled 'LR3 Presets inside the LR4 Develop module 'Presets' panel.
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/updating-develop-presets-for-lightroom-4-2 .html
I just tried it on my Windows 7 LR4.1 and the LR3 presets work fine in LR4. It looks like they also include PV2010 as part of the LR3 preset, so make sure you don't use them with any LR4 PV2012 processed images. LR3 must be installed (or reinstalled) to 'Import' the LR3 develop presets into LR4.
Here's the path on Windows 7 to 'Import' the LR3 presets inside LR4's Develop module:
C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Develop Presets\Lightroom Presets
The new 'LR3 Presets' folder will also show up in LR3's Develop preset panel. Simply ignore it if you still use LR3, but don't delete the folder.

The "My Mixology" is not Showing up in my Import or Develop Presets of LR3

The "My Mixology" is not Showing up in my import or develop Presets of LR3. Do I have to download this?
Thanks for your assistance.

Hello dj_paige.
Thanks for the reply.
Here is a YouTube video which shows the presets in LR3, which is what I have. At the 1:50 mark you will see in the develop module where he clicks on the Lightroom Presets drop down. In a "LR4" Youtube video which I viewed (I can't find the dern thing!) a group called "My Mixology" was shown under which their were some other presets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOdC561kt5I
I am unsure if My Mixology is available only in LR4 or if I can import these or what. I have looked googled for the answer but have been unable to locate it.
Thanks again for your assistance.

Develop Preset for Import in LR4.2 (iMac 10.8.2)

Can any please tell me how to set up a preset on the Import page (there are some there now) that I can use when I import my photos into LR. I am tired of going to Lens Correction in the Develop mod to put the nikon lens in that I used for the shoot. It is always turned off and I would like to have it activated when I import my shots. I know that while in the Develop mod, I can change it for one photo and then use "sync" to have it address all the other photos. But then it is a pain in the butt. There must be a way of doing it on import and that is the reason I am asking for your help. Either that or else have it recognize the lens that I used automatically.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Tunney
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Hi Tunney,
I would second JimHess: of course you could employ a develop preset during Import, but then all images would be labelled as having develop adjustments. And you do not see where you have invested develop work already.
I consider the Adobe defaults just as a starting suggestion, which may or may not apply to my taste per camera.
So I would rather tweak the default develop settings: just make sure that you include only stuff that virtually applies to ALL of your images.
I, too, have included automatic lens correction and defringe edges.
First decide in your catalog settings if you want the develop defaults specific per camera type or serial number or even ISO ( a nightmare if you ever use auto-ISO).
Then select a sample image, goto develop module and set only the stuff that should apply to all imported images. Then save them as new default settings.
You do nit change anything during import then.
If you hit the Reset button it will always revert to these defaults.
Cornelia

Develop presets: "Unavailable Preset"

When I enable the library filter Develop Presets I see three instances of "Unavailable Preset" with counts of 1, 23, and 323. In detail these are
(1) no presets at all, just a Clarity adjust. Click on import, then back on the Clarity --> applies correctly. Then when I refer back to the Develop Presets filter the count has changed from one to zero.
(23) these images all reference a long-used and active preset that is just Clarity + Vibrance. Clicking on the image history shows that the final image is correct, and the before/after preset results are correct. But after cross-checking several images this way the count has now been reduced from 23 to xxxxxxxxxx
(323) these images all reference a preset created today that I accidentally mis-applied to those images. (I'll refer to the mis-applied preset as GOOFY -- more on this below). Sampling some of these 323 images I see that the GOOFY preset is correctly applied. When I click on the previous history step, then GOOFY the "Unavailable Preset" count is decremented and a new "Custom" preset is incremented. I have never seen "Custom" preset before today.
Now, the story of the GOOFY preset. When I could find nothing in the documentation, forum or web, I decided to try disabling the unwanted preset by these steps at the Mac OS Finder level:
- duplicate GOOFY to GOOFY-2
- delete GOOFY file (I hoped LR3 would remove the references to the deleted GOOFY)
- in grid view mass-apply GOOFY-2 to the correct images
- quit, restart LR3
I've forgotten exactly what happened next, but for sure LR3 did not remove the non-existant preset links. For some reason I decided to rename the duplicated GOOFY-2 back to GOOFY. Now the images that correctly referenced GOOFY have two references to presets named GOOFY the oldest one is a NO-OP (does nothing), the latest one works as expected.
Any advice would be appreciated:
** how to mass-delete an unwanted preset reference from a selection of images?
** how to clean up the above "Unavailable Preset" errors?

When a preset is created, it stores the current level of the chosen parameters at the time of creation; in the example below, the preset which will be named CurrentPreset1 will store the current levels applied to the selected photo at the time the preset was created, and in this case will only store values corresponding to Color, Lens Corrections, and Process version.
To update the values recorded in a preset, the various levels must be changed on the currently selected photo and then the "Update with current settings" must be selected on the preset to update. The "Update with current settings" therefore updates the preset itself with new values corresponding to the values set in the current photo and has nothing to do with how it was applied to photos in the past. A preset is not related in any way to photos on which it is applied; a preset simply applies the set values recorded in the preset on the selected photo as if these same values would be manually entered for the selected photo.

Develop presets ordered in a directory like structure

If you are having a ton of develop presets you have to do extensive scrolling in order to find the proper presets.
Moving to LR4 I wish to have an directory like structure for the presets.
This makes even more sense because the new 2012 versions treats presets (not all but some) different than the "old" 2010 Version.
I can't imaging there will be something like a preset upgrade in the official version.
Having the mentioned structure it would be possible creating new presets under this structure and it would be easyly to differntiate the version.
e.g
2012-version
     --- wedding
     --------high contrast
     --------low contrast
     --------sepia
     -------------foobar1
   -------------foobar2
     --- nature
2010-version
     --- wedding
     --------high contrast
     --------low contrast
     --------sepia
     -------------foobar1
   -------------foobar2
     --- nature

As it may not make the final release, and we wouldn't want the request to get lost in beta land, might I suggest adding it as a suggestion on the Feature Request forum http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family where it can easily be tracked? In fact, if you search over there, I think you'll find a similar request to add your vote to.

Doubled list of Develop Presets in Import dialog?

Hi all, I'm running a week-old trial copy of LR3.3 on Windows, and I seem to have a doubled set of Develop Presets in the Import dialog's 'Apply During Import' dropdown menu. However, I just get the single list in the Presets panel of the Develop module.
More specifically, in the Import dropdown menu, I get:
An alphabetical listing of all built-in presets (with no user presets), followed by another alphabetical listing of all built-in presets, this time with the user presets.
So for example, if there are 20 built-in presets and 1 user preset, my Import dialog dropdown has 41 lines.
Any suggestions?

No, factory presets are embedded inside Lightroom and cannot be removed.
Well, actually, they can, but this is undocumented and you'll have to do it after each update.
http://lightroom-blog.com/2010/09/getting-rid-of-default-lightroom-develop-presets.html

Import of duplicates of existing images not getting LR3-applied develop settings

I'm probably missing something - clarification most appreciated.
I created a duplicate folder of 1298 images, previously processed by LR3, with metadata written into sidecar files. XMP files were in the duplicate folder.
Examining images in LR4 develop module reveals none of the previous adjustments.
What have I missed, what do I need to do? I tried Synchronize Folder, but that didn't do it.
Thanks,
Bruce

Bruce,
The images in your directory are the original imports you did and which not updated by subsequent editing adjustments. Opening the image in Lightroom loads the original image and applies edits made that are stored in the LR database. In other words, the adjusted image you see on your screen doesn't really exist anywhere as it is the original plus the history of edits applied each time you open it. The only way to have a file with the finished inage is to export it.
I have not tried it yet, but was thinking of exporting to DNG from LR3 and importing into LR4b to see if the history of edits came with it. Even if not, I sould end up with the image as I left it in LR3.
Hope that helps.
-Rick

Develop presets stopped working

Having just aquired LR4.1, I was going through the various develop presets to see the various effects available. It took several clicks to open one of the folders, when open I was able to preview the colour effects and preview. I shut down that folder, and was not able to open any other folders, let alone the folder I just used. I managed to import the presets into a folder, view them, close the folder, and again unable to open the folder I just previewed. I am using Win 7 64-bit.

Since these are 3rd party presets you had better contact the manufacturer of these presets.
Since the Lr presets are working fine, this is most probably not a Lr issue.
But before going the - probably frustrating - way of contacting the 3rd party manufactureres, I'd try to un-install and re-install these presets - not Lr!

Disappearing develop presets

Hi all.... just got Lighroom 2 as a gift for Christmas and watched the 7 hour Luminous Ladnscape tutorial, so I'm ready to go.
First problem.... I downloaded some cool develop presets to tinker with, imported them to Lighroom2. At the end of the day, I quit out of the program. The next day, the presets were not there. Where did they go? Do I need to "save" them somehow?
I'm working on an iMac, upgraded to 10.5.6.

Mario,
Unfortunately I cannot reproduce what you're seeing with my german LR3.2RC.
But:
Even if I do store my presets with the catalog, I don't see any .lrtemplate files for the standard Adobe LR presets in the preset folder right next to the catalog. My catalog folder structure looks like this:
Folder [catalogname]
File [catalogname].lrcat
Folder [catalogname] Previews.lrdata
Folder Lightroom-EinstellungenFolder Develop Presets
Folder Lightroom-Vorgaben (Empty)
Folder User Presetsseveral .lrtemplate files
If I understand you right, you see 51 .lrtemplate files in the folder Lightroom-Vorgaben? If so, try to move those out of the folder while LR is closed and see if it helps.
Also, I noticed, by adding a preset in develop, the preset entries in quick develop get reordered alphabetically. Try adding a test-preset in Develop and see whether it solves your list in Quick Develop in Library.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

Develop preset has a "+" next to it

I found a lot of topics on presets but nothing that talks about a "+" sign......
I have LR 4.3, and have several User Presets. Most are from downloaded and installed presets like the "D300 Standard", "D300 Neutral", etc.
I've been using these for a long time - long before LR4, and they work fine.
Today, because I wanted a bunch of images to all have the same develop preset, in grid mode, I selected everybody and assigned the "D300 ACR4.4" preset while in the Library. Then, I went into Develop to tweak the ones I want, and noticed that my "D300 Standard" preset has a "+" next to it... I'm not using that preset for this image, and I'm curious what the "+" means...

I'm pretty sure it indicates the preset that was applied during the last import.....if next time you do an import and select "None" for "Develop Settings" under the "Apply During Import" box, I think you'll find the "+" will disappear.
Lightroom tends to use the "+" sign in various places to indicate something significant, for example to indicate the Target Collection (usually this is the Quick Collection, but can be re-assigned to any collection). Pressing "B" adds the current selection to the Target Collection, and the "+" indicates which collection is the Target. Same with Keywords.....assign one or more keywords to the Paint Can and that will be indicated by a "+" at the end of each keyword in the Keyword List.

I have installed Adobe Lightroom CC. In the process of launching, a popup appears, that says: "AN INTERNAL ERROR HAS OCCURRED. Cannot create the required folder: /Users/(my user name)/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Develop Presets." So e

I have installed Adobe Lightroom CC. In the process of launching, a popup appears, that says: "AN INTERNAL ERROR HAS OCCURRED. Cannot create the required folder: /Users/(my user name)/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Develop Presets." So even though Lightroom CC is installed, it will not launch. What do I need to do to allow it to launch?

The problem was solved today. Here's the full story. I'm a Mac user. At first I installed Lightroom CC on my iMac (desktop). I had this problem so I called Adobe, and was referred to a "special unit" . After about an hour the tech solved it for me ... we did a screen sharing and she took control of my computer for a loooong time. Because of language difficulties, at first I wondered if she knew what she was doing but she eventually solved it. Although she couldn't explain exactly what she was doing, she summarized it by saying "it was a permissions problem." I asked if I would have the same issue later when I installed it on my laptop (Macbook Air). She said probably not.
But I did. The same internal error popup arose on launch and launch did not complete on my laptop. I tried chat but no joy so I eventually called Apple Care. I had noticed that on my laptop (and the iMac for that matter), that there was no Library folder after my user name. The Apple tech explained that the Library folder is actually there but it is hidden because it's very easy for users to do some very nasty things to their computer by going astray while in the Library folder. The folder is actually there, but they hide it. I did remember seeing that the tech helping me with my iMac had typed the work "Library" while she was controlling my computer. Basically she had activated the hidden Library folder so she could open the path that Lightroom was trying to follow to create that "Develop Presets" folder. For some reason, the inability to create that folder in the launch process was preventing launch from being completed. The Apple tech said she didn't actually have to do that and activated the Library folder by use of the Go selection on the menu bar. Anyway, once that complete path was replicated and opened, the next step was to go to the Lightroom Permissions field and add my user name to the user categories already there and enable "read and write" permissions to my user name. Once done, I shut down my laptop, and then rebooted. I launched Lightroom and then boom, voila, heavens to betsy, etc. it launched and suddenly a dismal weekend turned into a great one.
I am not a geek, so I hope this makes some sense. I also hope Lightroom launches again tomorrow and beyond!

Presets used for Printing / Relative Develop Presets

Hi
I am still not able to produce accurate colors when printing on my HP Color Laserjet CP3505X (the printer does not allow me to disable color management, and yes, I am using a calibrated monitor). Even with the sRGB profiles mentioned here (http://forums.adobe.com/message/2165085#2165085) and printer settings on sRGB I still have a color shift in my prints.
But I could (by experimenting) find out, what corrections have to be applied to the images for them to come out right in printing (e.g. Temperature +600, Tint +15).
Is there a way to have such a correction applied while printing, like a preset used only when printing?
Or, if not, is there a way to define a develop preset which acts relative (cumulative), meaning that I only code the difference of what I want to be added to the rest of the development settings? Such a preset then could be applied as the last action before printing.
Either method would partially solve my problem.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

Jao,
Jao vdL wrote:
Not using Lightroom's controls. What you describe is exactly what a printer profile is supposed to do.
I know that this is the purpose of a printer profile. What I would need is a correction (preset) on top of the profile used.
II. Create a real printer profile. You can either do this using a higher-end calibrator or using one of several services. Usually you download a file. Print it. Mail it to them and they send you back a profile that will work for the combination of ink/paper/printing settings that you used. See for example:
http://www.inkjetart.com/custom_profiles/
Or this websearch.
Since I cannot switch off color management with my printer, I am using the sRGB profile you recommended in this post of yours and let the printer work with sRGB.
I even would be able to create a printer profile myself (I own a Spyder3Print™ to calibrate a printer). But this involves being able to disable color management in the printer (driver) completely, which seems impossible with the CP3505X .
So what I would need is a combination of the sRGB profile I use, corrected by lets say 600K temperature and 15 ticks tint. But I have no idea how to get there.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

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