LR4 and CS5 Raw versions
LR4 says it uses Camera Raw V 7.0 I only see version 6.7 in the Adobe labs. Are these the same? What if I use CS5, how do I maintain process compatibility?
ACR 6.7 is for LR4 compatibility. ACR 6.7 knows how to convert PV2012 so you can view your LR4 processing in CS5, but the UI for PV2012 is not part of ACR 6.7. For that you’ll need CS6/ACR 7.0, presumably.
So in answer to your question, just say Open Anyway, and ACR 6.7 will do the PV1012 rendering on the way into Photoshop.
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I shoot RAW with Nikon cameras and use both LR4 and CS5 for post-processing.
My question is about sharpening in LR4 and/or CS5.
Can I do sharpening in LR4 and then again in CS5 by "Edit in Photoshop CS5"?
I recently read an article descrbing that in case we do sharpening in CS5, it did not recommend re-sharpening in CS5.
Could someone advise me which approach is the best for sharpening images between LR4 and/or CS5?Big question, and one with a lot of answers and also a lot of differing opinions (certainly in forums!). My take, having studied this aspect of image processing a great deal over the past couple of years (this assumes you're shooting in raw):
Break up your sharpening into two (or three) stages. Two of them are key - capture and output sharpening:
- Capture sharpening. Sharpen in the Develop module of LR to "bring back" sharpness lost during the process of capturing the image and converting it into a digital form. Sharpness is lost during the conversion, and also due to the anti-moire (or anti-aliaising) filter that typically is present in most digital cameras (there are some expections, the only Nikon one without this filter is the new D800E), and the Bayer colour filter. The capture process robs some of the sharpness from the image (even when using top-end gear), and you need to recover that in Develop: this is specifically what the controls there are designed for. Note that in-camera sharpness settings have zero effect in LR. Note also that the beauty of being able to do this in LR is that you can tailor the sharpening to your particular image attributes. IMO, capture sharpening is a vital part of any post processing workflow.
- Creative sharpening. Optional (don't do this very often myself, but as with all things, that depends on the image), but you can do this if you want to emphaise a part of your image (the classic example that tends to get rolled out is a portrait where you may wish to add additonal sharpening to the eyes). This can, and generally should, be done in PS (in theory you can do it in LR using the adjustment brush, but from my experience that doesn't tend to give the best results.
- Output sharpening. This should be done at the very end of the process to an image that has been re-sized to it's final output dimensions (so for example if it's for a print, set up the print dimensions/ratio and the ppi before output sharpening). Furthermore, output sharpening depends greatly on the output device: print sharpening will typically need more (and use a different "thickness") than screen sharpening (for web viewing, etc). LR has built-in capture sharpening (available in Export and the Print module) which I'm finding to be very good, but some prefer other tools for this task. You can also do it in PS, but it will be more labour intensive to do so. Do this on a copy of the master file - never on the original.
This is a very brief overview, and there's quite a bit more to it than that, in particular the actual techniques and tools to use (and how to use them). Like I say, a big subject. If you're serious about learning more, I highly recommend the Real World Sharpening book (2nd ed): of all the material I've read on this subject, that's by far the most comrpehensive and informative work. Yes, a whole book just on sharpening - said it was a big question!
IMHO the "sharpen once and once only" approach is outdated, and it's just not flexible enough to cover all the bases. But not everyone will agree with this I'm sure...
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Hello,
This is my first post, so please bear with me if I do something wrong.
I got LR4 (update from 3) right after it was relesed. I also have Photoshop CS5, so I ran into the PS/LR4 interoperability issue like everybody else. I just checked the status of this issue and I read the followinng in the Lightroom Journal (posted by thogarty on March 12, 2012 under the title "Lightroom 4 Hot Issues":
The team would like to provide an update on several issues discovered since last Monday night’s launch. Thanks for your patience while we investigated and compiled this list.
Edit in Photoshop Workflow
Currently, the Edit in Photoshop workflow asks that you have the Camera Raw 7 plug-in installed. Please note that the Camera Raw 7 plug-in is not available at this time. The correct plug-in for Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS5 compatibility is Camera Raw 6.7, currently available on Adobe Labs Please keep in mind that currently Camera Raw 6.7 is a a Release Candidate version of the plug-in. A “release candidate” label indicates that this update is well tested but would benefit from additional community testing before it is distributed automatically to all of our customers.
This is a little confusing. When I start up LR4 and go to Help>About I get the About window in whose upper right corner I see "Lightroom 4.0, Camera Raw 7.0". What is going to happen when the Camera Raw 6.7 gets released and I install it. Is it going to upgrade my PS plug-in only or, perhaps, downgrade my LR4 plug-in at the same time?
REgards,
AndyI don't have Lightroom 4. And from what I had seen so far in the forum, I don't plan on getting it. But from what I have seen I don't think things are any different than they have been with previous versions. Lightroom 4 has been designed to work with Camera Raw 7, which will be part of Photoshop CS6. I don't have the CS6 Beta, and don't plan on getting it. But apparently ACR 7 is not yet ready for release. When you don't have the current release of Camera Raw my experience has been that Lightroom has always given that warning and provided you with the opportunity to edit a copy which includes the Lightroom adjustments. The reason this has to be done is that when you send a raw image from Lightroom to Photoshop Camera Raw Has to interpret the adjustments. And if you don't have the current version the best thing to choose is to send a copy that includes the Lightroom adjustments.
But there seems to be a problem at this point because Lightroom 4 has been released ahead of Photoshop CS6 and so things are out of sync at the present time.
When I was still using Lightroom 2 and even Lightroom 3 I was using Photoshop CS3. So my option was always to send a copy of the raw image to Photoshop. In those two versions of Lightroom the adjustments carried through and I felt the results were acceptable. Apparently, that isn't the case right now with the new version.
Sending a copy to Photoshop doesn't really cause problems, in my opinion. Even if you don't have to do that, once you have completed your adjustments in Photoshop that image has to be saved as a new image. The adjustments cannot be applied from Photoshop to the original raw image. That has never been the case.
In light of all the problems a lot of people seem to be having, I am steering clear of Lightroom 4, at least for the time being. I still get good results with Lightroom 3.6 and have full support for all my cameras. But it seems to me that it's going to take some coordinated effort from Adobe to get this Lightroom/ACR discrepancy resolved. Good luck to all of you. I'm just having a lot of fun with my Lightroom 3/Photoshop CS5 combination. -
Photoshop Elements 6.0 and Camera Raw Version Question
I have been using Photoshop Elements 6.0 and it's does what I need to do.
Revcently we bought two new cameras and the Camera Raw version 5.6 that we have installed does not support these new cameras.
The Camera Raw list says that I need Camera Raw 6.2 for the one and 6.3 for the other (so 6.3). But as far as I can understand, PE 6.0 will only support up to Camera Raw 5.6.
And to support 6.3, I'd need a minimum of PE 8.0.
Am I correct?
ThanksDownload and install the free Adobe DNG converter to convert your raw files to the Adobe universal Raw format and the files will open in all versions of PSE (keep your original raw files as backups and for use in the manufacturers software)
Windows download click here DNG Converter 7.2
Mac download click here DNG Converter 7.2
You can convert a whole folder of raw images in one click. See this quick video tutorial:
You Tube click here for DNG Converter tutorial -
LR4 and Camera RAW Cache folder
Hi all,
I know many are complaining about LR4 responsiveness and how LR3 was faster in response.
Like many others, I have a new and very fast PC, however it seems that LR4 is crawling when it comes to navigtaing through images.
I've done my share bit of tweaking LR4 to get the best optimized results such as, Optimize catalogs, Render 1:1 previews, Increase Camera Raw cache size to 30GB, move the Camera Raw Cache folder next to the catalog folder as Adobe recommends and what not.
LR4 didn't become more responsive, however I did notice something strange, which is the topic of this post.
While filddeling around with LR4 performance issues on my PC, I've noticed that even though I have over 20,000 images in my PC and some folders are rendered with 1:1 previews, the Camera Raw Cache folder is empty.
This might explain why rendering 1:1 previews didn't affect LR4 while browsing images.
For example, right after I've created the 1:1 previews (whether it's straight from import or after the fact) I'm browsing back and forth during this browsing action, LR4 renders the 2 images each and every single time I view them - that beats the purpose of using the cache folder.
So one comes to think how could it be that with such a catalog size and 1:1 previews, the camera raw cache folder remains empty? And could this be the cause that makes LR4 render each and every single image time and time again regardless if I viewed the image a second ago?
Thanks.
Gil.Firstly, to clarify, Previews and Camera RAW files are not the same thing. Previews are simple, just jpeg representations of the raw file, at various resolutions used principally in the Library module and filmstrip.
Camera RAW cache files are used by the Develop module and contain the output from some initial RAW processing. I don’t remember exactly what processing but about half that LR needs to do to render an image. This processing is done regardless of what you actually do in the Develop module so it is done once, then cached. This is why the “Loading” appears to take longer when you initially browse to an image in the Develop module. The rest of the RAW processing (about half) is done every single time you browse away from the image and back again. This is why you always get CPU spikes when browsing through images in the Develop module. So you can create as many 1:1 previews as you like, this will have no impact whatsoever on image rendering performance in the Develop module.
So to answer your question specifically,
Can you be more specific about when exactly does this folder being populated?
A camera raw cache file is generated when you browse to an image whilst in the Develop module. Files continue to be generated until the cache size limit is reached, then as new files are generated, the oldest are deleted. -
Photoshop CS5 won't open CR2 files. Running OS X 10.10.1 and camera raw version 6.7.1
Photoshop CS5.1 will not open CR2 files. I am running OS X 10.10.1 and adobe photoshop camera raw 6.7.1. It was working fine when I had OS X Mavericks. It wasn't until I updated to Yosemite that the problem started.
Hello,
I had recently bought an iMac but I'm unable to open cr2 files when I'm trying to do a double click(or doing a preview) to open in Yosemite. Although I can open them in Lightroom 5.7 and could not in CS6(understand I need to upgrade it). I know there should be a way to open cr2 files by directly double clicking on the image, but as of now I'm unable to find in the net.
Any help is appreciated.
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Photoshop Camera Raw Version to Process Nikon 1AW1 NEF Files
I am currently running Photoshop CS6 for Macintosh version 13.0.4 and Camera RAW version 7.4.0.137 and cannot process the raw (NEF) files produced by the new Nikon 1AW1 camera. I have shot test photos with the camera prior to purchase, but can't process the NEF files. Does a Camera Raw plug-in that will work with this camera exist? If not, when will the appropriate plug-in be available?
The Nikon 1 AW1 is not yet supported by Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).
http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
Adobe never comments on future camera support in ACR but ACR is updated every few months as new cameras come on to the market.
You'll have to use the import software provided by Nikon for now. -
CS5 and Lightroom 4-different camera raw versions
Lightroom 4 has a camer raw version 7 and my CS5 has 6.7? Trying to figure out the easiest way to get them both to be 6.6 which appears to be the latest versions and I have no idea how I got the versions I have. When converting from lightroom to CS5 the photo don't look the same and I assume this is the reason why. So, what do I need to delete to get these versions the same?
The ACR 6.7 is a beta which should be superceeded by the final relase soon. In terms of LR4 yes it's based on ACR 7 from the upcoming Photoshop CS6 (whose beta is out) but there is no way to back LR4's version down...
When opening from LR4 into Photoshop CS5 you should select the option to Render in Lightroom. That will have LR4 correctly render the image into Photoshop. -
Any ideas?
My student has been using Lightroom 4 with Photoshop CS5 on her Mac for well over a year. Because of the difference between the Camera raw version available to her in Photoshop CS5 and the raw process in Lightroom 4, she has been exporting her raw images from Lightroom and choosing the "Render using Lightroom option when it popped up in the dialogue box. She has been doing this for over a year and a half without any problem. Today when she hit Command E no dialogue box appeared and the image just opened in Photoshop. I'm concerned that all of her Lightroom edits are not being rendered to Photoshop. Anyone have an idea as to how we can get the "Render using Lightroom" dialogue back?
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just got a Nikon D610 and CS5 for Mac can't open the images -- message says installed version of camera raw doesn't support the camera. Downloaded the Raw 6.2 update for Mac, but installation failed. Now what?
The D610 didn't get out-of-the-box RAW support until Photoshop CC.
You can either upgrade to CC or use the DNG Converter to convert and open your DNGs in CS5. -
I downloaded the newest version of camera raw for LR. I have LR4 and can not import photos from my new Nikon D750. The download said it was sucessful but I still can not import photos.
Lightroom doesn't use the Camera Raw plug-in. So downloading the latest Camera Raw didn't do anything at all for you. The only way to update or upgrade Lightroom is to obtain the latest version. If you have Lightroom 4 then the last version of Lightroom you can have at no additional cost is Lightroom 4.4.1. If the camera you are using requires anything newer than what is supported and that version of Lightroom then it will require an upgrade to Lightroom 5.
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I rented a Nikon D600 & D610 and CS5 cannot open the RAW files, i do not have any issued with my D700 RAW files. I am getting this error message -
Could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw.
Please visit the Camera Raw help documentation for additional information.
Can anyone please help?yellowmledbetter wrote:
Sorry, I am on a MAC. I downloaded the link you provided and it's giving the same error message as above. Running CS5.
The error message you gave is from Camera Raw. I thought you said that DNG Converter didn't work?
The link I gave you is an article on getting your raw files to open in Camera Raw. Did you read it? I lazily gave you the link because this is one of the most common problems in this forum, and I get tired of saying the same thing over and over again. I could break it down for your specific case, but I was hoping you could read through the article and work it out for yourself.
But, here goes:
Your cameras are newer than your raw converter, so it won't understand them.
CS5 comes with Camera Raw 6, which can only be upgraded as far as 6.7.1. You can find out which version of Camera Raw you are running in three ways: in the settings title bar (Cmd-K), in the plug-in title bar (press F to start/stop full-screen mode to reveal the title bar), or Photoshop's Help menu (About Plug-ins).
Downloading raw files from newer Nikon cameras with old versions of Nikon Transfer will actually make them unreadable in Adobe software. They can be fixed with a free utility. Again, it's all in the linked article. You should be using up-to-date Nikon Transfer, or Adobe Photodownloader to avoid this problem.
All being well, you have good raw files on your computer. You can convert them to dng using Adobe DNG Converter. IF you are on OSX Leopard or Snow Leopard, you CAN'T use the latest version, because Adobe stopped support. But, if you ARE on a later OSX, you can download DNG Converter 8.6.
DNG Converter is designed to convert FOLDERS of raw files at a time. You select a folder of raw files, and tell it to create DNG copies. BUT, you have to set up the converter before you start using it...
If you load up DNG Converter, you'll notice a button labelled "Change Preferences". Clicking this, you'll see the first option is "Compatibility". Here, you must select the appropriate setting for the version of Camera Raw you HAVE (see above). If you can't work this out, just pick "Camera Raw 5.4 and later". THEN pick a folder of raw files and convert them to DNGs.
All the above is already in the article, but I gave you a personalised response. If you still can't get it to work, please give us more than one sentence. Tell us exactly what you tried, and describe exactly what happened. Which version of OSX you're running, what device and software you downloaded your raw files with, how you used DNG Converter, and so on.
I really should be in bed. -
I have CS4 and was using a Canon 5D Mark II with raw photos. I just got the Canon 5D Mark III and CS4 now can not read the raw photos. It has raw version 5.7.0.213 and CS4 version 11.0.2. Can anyone help?
Camera Raw plug-in | Supported cameras
Camera Raw-compatible Adobe applications
EOS 5D Mark II
CR2
5.2
2.2
EOS 5D Mark III
CR2
6.7, 7.1
4.1
Photoshop CS6
7.0
8.3
Photoshop CS5
6.0
6.7
Photoshop CS4
5.0
5.7
The 5D Mark II was first supported by Camera Raw 5.2 which is compatible with CS4+.
The 5D Mark III was first supported by Camera Raw 6.7 and 7.1 which is only compatible with CS5 and CS6.
So the CS4 will never be able to open Raw 5D Mark III files.
Why doesn’t my version of Photoshop or Lightroom support my camera?
Choices:
Purchase CS6 full version (CS4 is too old to qualify for an upgrade)
Join the Cloud
Free option: download the free Adobe DNG converter, convert all 5D Mark III Raw files to DNG format then edit the DNGs in CS4
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L/R 4.2 and PS CS5 RAW plugin 7.2
Hi, I have L/R 4.2 and CS 5 installed but after update of Lightroom when I try to open a photo via "Photo Open in L/R 4.2" I get the message "This ver of L/R may require the Camera RAW version 7.2. Please update the Camera RAW plugin using the update tool.
Tried this but tells me PS & L/R 4 is upto date and RAW 7.2 is not compatable with CS5 as I understand it.
So should I Render using L/R, Open anyway or Cancel.
Seems wrong that I have spent good money on the software only to be told that if I want Camera RAW 7.2 I have to pay even more for CS6 that has no exta options over CS5 I will not need.
Thanks
Russrussellsnr wrote:
So should I Render using L/R, Open anyway or Cancel.
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Camera Raw Version 7 -- LR4 wants PS to have it, but it is not available
Since upgrading to Lightroom 4, if I try to edit a photo in Photoshop 5.1 from inside LR4 it warns me that I might need Camera Raw Version 7 for compatibility. But Camera Raw Version 7 isn't available for Photoshop -- the latest is Version 6.6, which I already have.
For photos previously processed in LR3 using Process 2010 I just say "open anyway" and I don't think there is any compatibility issue at all. But if I start using Process 2012 and then try to edit a raw photo in Photoshop I presume there will be a compatibility issue. So I haven't started using Process 2012 while waiting for CR7 for Photoshop 5.1 to be available. But when will it be available?
I haven't seen any information from Adobe on this. Since Process 2012 is the default for new photos not yet touched by Process 2010 I would think there must be more people than just me running into this issue. Why is Adobe so silent about it even after LR4 has gone public and is being shipped? (What I mean by being silent is that searching the help and support resources doesn't turn up any mention of the issue or a date for resolution).cognitive93 wrote:
Similarly I am cautious about using the "have Lightroom do the rendering" -- not being completely sure this is exactly the same as PS doing it for itself. But this may be totally unfounded conservatism on my part -- is doing it that way really identical without creating any future issues or unwanted side effects?
Yes...you must use LR to process the image into Photoshop until you upgrade to Photoshop CS6 and ACR 7.
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