LR4 Softproof & BPC

How has Black Point Compensation been worked into the softproofing routine in LR4? Or has it? Is BPC turned on by default when Simulate Paper & Ink is checked?
Thanks.

OK, well I'm now thoroughly confused.
When I look at the Softproof panel in LR4 I see the button to choose to create a proof copy. Below that I see the dropdown for the profile selection. Below that I see the dropdown for rendering intent. Below that I see a checkbox that says "Simulate Paper & Ink". I see nothing to allow me to choose BPC on or off.
Is BPC somehow incorporated into the checkbox for "Simulate Paper & Ink"? That is, if that box is checked, will the black point be adjusted, if necessary, to try to retain shadow detail as it would be if BPC were turned on for softproofing in Photoshop? If it's not, is there any way in LR softproofing to turn it on (or off) or does it matter?

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In LR4, how do you select CMYK as a softproofing option? The "Profile > other" option does not list any CMYK optoin like Photoshop does.

CMYK profiles are not supported in Lr and are not displayed.
Lr is a (proPhoto-derivative) RGB application "from the ground up", and I remember one Adobe employee saying that in all likelihood Lr will never support CMYK.
For CMYK softproofing you have to use Photoshop.

LR 4 - Softproofing - Missing Profiles

Installed LR4 final release.
Went to test softproofing. When I attempt to change the profile from the default LR4 opens a mini-window and displays a set of profiles.
It does not display all the profiles on my system.
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I re-installed an already installed profile. It does not show up in LR4
I rebooted and re-opened LR4. No change.
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This makes LR4 softproofing useless.

The one I want to install is a Blurb profile. That is likely a CMYK profile. I'll check the others.
Yeah the blurb profile doesn't work in LR because it is CMYK. A nagging annoyance caused by the LR engine not being capable of operating in other color models than RGB. Apart from CMYK profiles, certain icc v4 profiles will also not work in LR. A good example is the v4 sRGB profile that can be found on icc's website. Luckily those are rare.

HP LP2475w produces small calibrated gamut

Summary of the issue
When calibrated, the resulting ICC profile for this monitor spans a gamut that is smaller than anticipated.
Monitor and settings
LP2475w with panel LPL LM240WU4
F/W: GIG068 S-L0226
Backlight hours: 4760
Brightness: 21
Contrast: 80
Custom Color: R245 / G255 / B247
Source
Lenovo 3000 n200 laptop (GeForce Go7300 card)
Connected via external VGA (no digital video out on that laptop)
OS: Windows 7
Calibration details
Colorimeter: Spyder3Pro
Calibration software: BasicColor Display 4.1.20
Target white point: 6500K
Target gamma: 2.20
Target luminance: 110cd/m2
Black level: 0.33cd/m2
Detailed description
I have recently bought a used LP2475w for photo color correction and retouching. I would like to make it work in a workflow from capturing Adobe RGB DNG files via my DSLR, via LR4 & softproofing, to output on my profiled Epson R2880. The inkset on my printer has a rather large gamut, so it made sense to me to get a monitor that allows me to softproof saturated colors where applicable.
The calibration process resulted in pleasing contrast and good grayscale neutrality, but there is a flaw that runs counter to what I am trying to achieve with it: The LP2475w, when calibrated using the system above, shows a peculiar gamut that lacks saturated yellow-greens and saturated magenta-blues. It is noticeably smaller than the one posted on TFTcentral for this monitor http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/icc_profiles/hp_lp2475w.icc and does not encompass either sRGB, AdobeRGB or my printer/ink/paper's gamuts. This is obviously quite frustrating.
The preceding image shows a comparison between AdobeRGB (wire) and monitor profile (solid).
The preceding image shows a comparison between TFTCentral's gamut plot of the monitor (wire) and my own monitor profile (solid).
My attempts at troubleshooting so far
reset the monitor to factory defaults and start from scratch
vary the different monitor settings (brightness, contrast, custom RGB settings)
vary the profiling settings (different gammas, different white points including native, different contrast ratios)
compare the ICC profiles via ICCView http://www.iccview.de/content/view/2/4/lang,en/
use both the original Spyder3Pro software and BasicColor Display 4 - results are similar
I am now at the end of what I can do and would appreciate it very much if a monitor- and color-savvy person would chime in on this board. Feel free to check the ICC profile I have generated here. It uses the settings outlined above:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8819420/HP_6500k_110cd.icm
Questions
What can I do to achieve the same large gamut as other users have?
Does connecting to the monitor via DVI-D make any difference to the resulting gamut? I will soon build a new computer system, but for the moment I am stuck with VGA.
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Tried something else, with partial success:
Installed ArgyllCMS & DispCal GUI
Loaded the corrections for Spyder 3 & LP2475w
Calibrated & profiled the display for 5800K / Gamma 2.2 / 110cd/m2
And presto - bigger gamut visually (the outlined version is the old one):
http://www.iccview.de/user/10016/104.wrl
Coverage according to DispCal GUI:
100% sRGB
87% Adobe RGB coverage
Will have to tweak some more using a different set of Spyder 3/monitor compensation settings, but this is much better already.
The root cause for the issue appears to be the match between the colorimeter and the wide gamut display. Apparently you'd need an accurate spectrophotometer to get around these limitations.
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Certain icc profiles are crashing LR4 beta when attempting to soft proof while others work fine. I have the error report generated by my Macpro if it is of value to anyone.

Perfect, they are the same ones I've seen. The ImagePrint ones don't confirm to the ICC spec - go to ColorSync Utility in the Applications > Utilities folder and run First Aid - it should repair them so it doesn't crash. The crash should get fixed - it should fail gracefull in the final release.

LR5.2 softproofing: strange display behaviour

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I have seen a problem like this before, and raised a question on the forum, but realised what was wrong (the problem happened on a full colour image, and once I set the Process to 2012 it went away). However it has cropped up again, and this time the image was imported directly into LR4 so Process was 2012 by default.
I have an image which is a glass with liquid in against a black background. I have made a few tweaks in LR and am ready to send it off for printing. I just though I would take a look in Soft Proofing to see how the coloured liquid looked. When I click soft proofing and choose the correct profile supplied by my printing company (which is a 'glossy' profile), the black takes on a milky grey appearance, but according to LR is not out of Gamut.
If I choose the matt profile from my printing company, the same effect is there, but less so.
I rather think that this is quirk of softproofing black, what with black not actually being a colour and all that. Since there are no gamut warnings, and I have never had a problem with printed images on a black background, then I think I should ignore this. It does give a rather mis-leading impression though.
Has anybody else seen this, or can offer a better explanation as to what is happening?
Cheers

Nerdio wrote:
I understand what you are saying about LR mimicking the 'paper look' I didn't think of this, and have now tried unchecking the 'Simulate Paper and Ink look' and the blacks come back to what I expect. I hadn't thought of this.
I think then I should really use Softproofing to check Gamut, and not worry about the 'Paper and Ink look', then it will at least look a little more reasonable on the screen. I shall get the image printed and see where I go from there.
Actually the opposite. The gamut warnings are only mildly useful. You’ll likely have colors in the LR color space that fall out of gamut, that is just a fact of life. Depending on the rendering intent you select, OOG colors will be mapped in two differing fashions, those are your only options. Pick the intent you visually prefer ( benefit of soft proofing #1).
But the Simulate check boxes are super important because black as defined as say 0% in LR is displayed on your monitor as a black hole. The system will attempt to emit as little light as possible to that set of pixels. That isn’t how Matt paper (any paper) behaves! The contrast ratio of your display is huge (800:1, 1000:1 or more) compared to that Matt print (150:1, maybe 200:1). So there is a huge visual discount. The soft proof and simulate shows you what the print should look like as best as the two differing technologies allow. Yes, the blacks look muddy. Reality kind of sucks <g>. With good profiles (that means profiles who’s two tables, one for the output, one for the soft proof), proper display calibration, using the simulate check box should produce a much better screen to print match. That’s the ultimate goal for color management.

Softproofing - What am I actually seeing

I am alittle confised about softproofing. I understand the principle, in that I apply a colour profile appropriate to my printer/ink/paper, and then I can see what colours are in/out of gamut, and won't print as I expect. But, when I click Soft Proofing, the image takes on a less saturated look, however if I select SRGB as a profile it looks normal. That is I believe because sRGB is the profile I have been using anyway. What I don't understand is why the whole image changes. I assume there is more to it than just colours in and out of Gamut.
That said then I have decided what I need to do is then tweak the saturation. As soon as I do so LR4 asks if I wanta proof copy, which is fine and I understand why. When I make a proof copy though, all the adjustments are greyed out so I cannot do anything. Why is that?
Sorry, if this is a dumb question, but I am a bit of a Newby to this, and I think just a little explanation is required.
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I often need to convert files to CMYK before sending them to publishers and the inability to export in CMYK can be frustrating. After completing an assignment I will export the finished files to a folder in tiff format and then have to then run an action to convert them all to CMYK before uploading them to the client. Because the conversion does not always produce the exact color I often have to then go and adjust the files accordingly. Why isn't there already CMYK editing support in lightroom 3 and why isn't it already in LR4? It seems many other photographers would need to deliver their files in CMYK and it would be an obvious compatibility neccesity.

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